Calling you out.....Let's see some video - Page 4

Bob, you're right; I judge person by person and how they treat their dogs. I was only talking about the egomaniacs who do NOTHING w/their dogs all week intentionally, so they "explode" on the field b/c they've been stuck in a kennel all damn week. This is carrying over from the thread about Inges biting his owner, and the allegations that this is the situation w/him. GARD wanted to "call me out" b/c I commented that the dog was almost justified if what we're hearing is true. Sorry if you misunderstood.

Also, pulling them out of the blind like that and sending them back in.  can increase drive in the blind....

Jenni78, I am one of those "sports" people that you apparently so disdain, and I agree with you: bites resulting in 80 stitches, indicating multiple bites, is NOT an accident by the dog. He meant it. There may be a problem with the bonding (I have seen idiot guys take a dog right from the airport to the training field and they deserved the "schooling" received as a result). There "may" be any number of reasons that this incident happened. I also agree that the dog himself does NOT sound like one I wouldn't want just because of this incident. I like his pedigree and would love to se him work and have a chance to assess his temperament for myself. That being said.... I don't know where you get your idea of what "sports" folks do with their dogs. But, let me just offer this: I am a member of a club comprised of 45 members. Not all train actively with the club. Some, in fact live in other states, two in another country. However, on any given training day, there are usually 15-20 people training. Of those people, every single one of them has dogs, usually more than one, who LIVE IN THE HOUSE with them. The dogs are only "kenneled," as mine are--while I am at work. Even then, only one of my dogs is in a kennel while I am gone because I don't want two dominant dogs left together unsupervised for hours. :-) TEMPERAMENT comes first with every "sports" person I know. Not cosmetics, not grips, not even drive-TEMPERAMENT. Even with the best temperament and great bonding, when you are working a dog in drive, you are bound to be on the receiving end of a bite, however unintentional it may be. I have a puncture in the thigh from one dog who was going for the sleeve at my feet as I was kicking it back to the halper ("sports" folks will understand what I mean), numerous scars from "bites" while playing with the tug/ball/wurst, on the hands,under the arm, and from near mastectomies. I also have a set of scars that required stitches from a dominat, high drive bitch who received a stupidly, STUPIDLY UNFAIR correction with an e-collar. She was "not playing that $$$$t. :-) This was no "kennel dog. This was a very stable, social bitch with an excellent temperament who lived in the house, slept on my bed and was with me from the age of 8 weeks to 13 1/2 years. I deserved that trip to the emergency room and the ugly 17 stitches. I learned a lot from it You work dogs, you will be bitten. Hell, I know folks who compete in agility and flyball with some of the exact same scars. Their dogs live in the house, too :-)

Sorry, GARD, no videos. But, I can give you the names of helpers who have worked my dogs, if you'd like. :-) Missbeeb, The pinch collars, and e-collars, are for crorrections without the neck trauma and damage of the posibly more familiar choke collar.

the pinch collar is a good training tool.  In the beginning of training for protection the pinch collars aren't used, it's a harness usually.  

Even if I wasn't competively training my dogs, I'd still be using a pinch collar for training.  

Keep in mind too, that these dogs are in drive and can handle more of a correction.  A buckle collar pop probably wouldn't cut it.    In fact the collar correction can be motivational, especially in obedience if used correctly.

Um, ok. One more time for those who don't get it. Let me repost what I said HERE:

I judge person by person and how they treat their dogs. I was only talking about the egomaniacs who do NOTHING w/their dogs all week intentionally, so they "explode" on the field b/c they've been stuck in a kennel all damn week. This is carrying over from the thread about Inges biting his owner, and the allegations that this is the situation w/him. GARD wanted to "call me out" b/c I commented that the dog was almost justified if what we're hearing is true. Sorry if you misunderstood.

Mystere, you think that I have chosen not to participate in sports out of ignorance? Au contraire. As an example of what my problem is, I have a very good friend w/a FR club. I have literally had to leave so I wouldn't start a huge scene. I am completely disgusted by what I have seen. I hope all their dogs unite and kill them all one day. Truly I do. These people have insufficient genitalia syndrome. E collars worn 2-3 at a time, on bellies and flanks, over genitals, people LAUGHING b/c the dog was scared to move w/3 E collars on his body, all cranked to high stim. They say the dogs are too "high-drive" to live in the house; I say they're too FUCKED UP...because they FUCKED them up...by breeding for imbalance and then by the treatment they receive in the name of points. These ridiculous corrections weren't for a serious offense; his platz was crooked.

Sounds like you have a nice club. AGAIN, I was talking specifically about the dogs who spend 6 out of 7 days in a crate. Why is my point so hard to take?