Schäferhundverein RSV2000 e.V. is member of VDH (FCI) - Page 4

Videx, I personally think you just wrote a very sensible and reasonable post about the condition of the breed and organizations affecting the German shepherd. My congrats!  The problem I see in the future for the SV is that many of the members that want both strong working and good conformation may join the RSV2000, taking away the balance and tempering voices within the SV, thus allowing the money driven, conformation only, motives to completely dominate the direction of the breed in that organization. This is what happened with the GSDCA here in the states when USA got started and it took 30 years before enough people inside the GSDCA decided enough was enough and formed the WDA. Hopefully, this script does not play out with SV, because I agree with you that SV has historically set the tone for the breed internationally and has done a yeoman job of preserving the breed for past century.

Interesting.  The Brits, not really ever known the world over as intrepid stewards of the breed to begin with, are now ardently defending the SV.  This would be the same SV that has allowed the original intent of the *the breeds founder* to take a back seat (very back seat, as in “on the next train which leave tomorrow…”) to cosmetics, graft, good 0l' boy politics and show dogs with no real working ability (and I mean no *real* working ability - as in police, SAR, etc.) or working conformation (dogs now over sized, prone to spine issues, cannot jump or scale beyond the trial A frame or 1 meter hurdle).  Makes sense to me…

-Calvin

Thanks, Calvin.

 Calvin & Aqua - a pair of negatives. Two more "nails" in "coffin" for laying the future of the GSD

I simply rely on those strong and influential individuals throughout our breed, to do all within their power to support our breed and our breed organisations, especially the SV, and also the RSV 2000, to avoid any major set backs or divisions occurring.
 
The division has already happened. A large group of the SV has decided to go its own way. They tried and tried to affect change from within, their efforts failed and you and your have ilk won. You don’t have to deal with those dissatisfied members any longer.  They have moved on to find their own way. The members that have decided to leave are not slaves; they are allowed the freedom to do as they choose. You should enjoy your victory and live with its results.

And you are surely kidding about these two groups working together. It will take decades to just get past the anger and bruised egos. God knows how long it will take to get past the fundamental differences about what direction the dogs are going. But don’t fret this can be a good thing for both everyone. Now people can choose the club that fits them and can go on unencumbered by opposing agendas.

 Christopher: Your dream will become a nightmare for our breed. Human weakness will always show itself, and there are many who fail to learn the lessons of History. Blow your trumpets and you just may bring down the walls of our breed! No matter you will never admit any responsibility. Destruction comes much easier than Construction. 

Your dream will become a nightmare for our breed. Human weakness will always show itself, and there are many who fail to learn the lessons of History.

 

And what lesson would that be my amaurotic crapulent friend? Please be specific. I know that’s hard for you, but try for the sake of breed.

Chris,
Excellent, excellent post!!! (Post is 3 above)
It hits the nail on the head, squarely!

Let's not forget Helmut Raiser was kicked out of the SV for trying to move the organization in a different (and what many feel to be a better) direction.

Check with the SV. Their numbers are down over the past few years. People are tired of the garbage that has gone on over in Germany and here in the U.S.
Maybe it has not hit the U.K. yet like it has here in the U.S. and in Germany, but, be aware of what is going on.


Nugget and Videx,
You probably should stick with your kind. You seem to take the attitude that those who disagree with you are "negative". Is it possible for a world to exist where there are others that do not share your views.
Maybe look a little deeper and you will see that Chris is the Vice President of the American Working Malinois Association. Again correct me if I am wrong, but, Chris' father is, or was, one one of the longest standing members of the United Schutzhund Clubs of America. You aren't talking to an idiot here. He is well respected here in the U.S. for his, and his family's, contribution to our breed (GSD and Malinois) and our sport.

My personal opinion, and maybe where we can all look at this a little harder, is less of a debate between working and show and more of a debate about those who want to work and train their dogs, and maybe breed them, because they are worthy of being bred, as opposed to having unearned working titles put on them, running around a ring and breeding them because it is a great way to make money!