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by Mystere on 27 March 2009 - 23:03
As I stated, the nomenclature, and the import, varies from state to state. In some states, a "Warranty" is worthless. My intent was not to dispense legal advice, or engage in a legal discussion on a dog forum, just to "alert" newbies to things they may not realize may make a difference for them. Theoretically, intelligent individuals will find out what effect the nomenclature has in their particular state, if any.
by SchHBabe on 28 March 2009 - 01:03
Good job, Nia! I tried to hit on a few points in my "Smart SchH Shopping Suggestions" article and you've brought up some more good points. My personal fav is the breeder who claims the dog is suitable for SchH but who has never set foot on a field to even train, much less title. I wish I had a dollar for every time I saw that scam! Ha! -Yvette
by Mystere on 28 March 2009 - 02:03
Yvette,
Out here it is all too familiar from 3-4 kennels in particular. It is really sad when puppy buyers regurgitated the dribble they'd been fed, and we had to inform them that their breeder had never trained, or even shown up at a trial as a spectator. I recall one person who claimed that their breeder didn't attend trials because she didn't like some of the USA people. I told her that when I first started, one of the old-timers told me that trials were well attended, because if there were 150 spectators, half of them might be there to see you fail, but at least they showed up!
by luvdemdogs on 28 March 2009 - 03:03
I disagree completely with #1. I LIKE unusual colors of GSD. They may be faulted because of irrational thinking in the show circuit, but then I, feel the breed standards for showing should be changed, and that the whole "don't breed them" ideology is nothing more than unthinking biased horsepoop.
I truly wish there were MORE livers, blues, whites and yes, even pandas, so long as the dogs are healthy with all of the adeqate testing - they are, after all purebred GSDs, and in my view, if the health and temperament are good, and the colour is beautiful then there should be more of the type being bread...
I gotta say - I really ABHOR the anti color bias I see repeatedly on these boards.
I truly wish there were MORE livers, blues, whites and yes, even pandas, so long as the dogs are healthy with all of the adeqate testing - they are, after all purebred GSDs, and in my view, if the health and temperament are good, and the colour is beautiful then there should be more of the type being bread...
I gotta say - I really ABHOR the anti color bias I see repeatedly on these boards.
by Two Moons on 28 March 2009 - 03:03
So much wisedom.
by luvdemdogs on 28 March 2009 - 03:03
so little time... LOL!
by VonIsengard on 28 March 2009 - 03:03
What you call our anti color bias, I call your anti standard bias.
You want a blue dog, a liver dog, a "panda" try another breed. How about a weim, a vizsla, or a bernese mountain dog? They'll probably be healthier and more capable than what these puppy farm GSD breeders turn out.
Hell, why not breed 150+ pound GSDs? People like them, right? Who needs St Bernards? How about GSDs who are too soft to do any kind of gripwork whatsoever? Why not! Who needs golden retreivers? Lets just breed GSDs so there is a flavor for everyone and everyone! Standards, schmandards. I'm gonna start breeding mini-GSDs so people who live in apartments who have a size limit on dogs can have a GSD, too!
You want a blue dog, a liver dog, a "panda" try another breed. How about a weim, a vizsla, or a bernese mountain dog? They'll probably be healthier and more capable than what these puppy farm GSD breeders turn out.
Hell, why not breed 150+ pound GSDs? People like them, right? Who needs St Bernards? How about GSDs who are too soft to do any kind of gripwork whatsoever? Why not! Who needs golden retreivers? Lets just breed GSDs so there is a flavor for everyone and everyone! Standards, schmandards. I'm gonna start breeding mini-GSDs so people who live in apartments who have a size limit on dogs can have a GSD, too!
by luvmy shep on 28 March 2009 - 04:03
Then there is losing a 2 year old to megaesophaugus, and a broken heart. I was not refunded but could of had another pup for half the fee. When deciding the breeder sold them all in one week for full price, another heart breaking surprise. No guarantee she stood behind 
by luvdemdogs on 28 March 2009 - 04:03
What you call our anti color bias, I call your anti standard bias.
I can't disagree with that.
You want a blue dog, a liver dog, a "panda" try another breed.
I don't need to. I can get my favorite breed in my favorite color - if I wait long enough, LOL..
How about a weim, a vizsla, or a bernese mountain dog? They'll probably be healthier and more capable than what these puppy farm GSD breeders turn out.
Got a friend with a Visla - it's not nearly as human-centered, not nearly as eager to please, not nearly as physically substantial as my GSDs. I am more likely to close down a puppy mill as buy from one, and would never support a color breeder tht operated a puppy mill. Nor would I support a breeder without the appropriate helath checks - regardles of the color.
Hell, why not breed 150+ pound GSDs? People like them, right?
If they didn't suffer from health problems - why not?
Who needs St Bernards? How about GSDs who are too soft to do any kind of gripwork whatsoever? Why not!
There is no reason GSDs must solely be bred fro "grip work". They have numerous purposes - including companion animals.
Who needs golden retreivers? Lets just breed GSDs so there is a flavor for everyone and everyone! Standards, schmandards.
Your comparison arguments fall flat , but as for breeding GSDs for everyone - sure, why not? I do think that Standards schmandards is an appropriate sentiment when the standards for color are set without reason.
I'm gonna start breeding mini-GSDs so people who live in apartments who have a size limit on dogs can have a GSD, too!
That's actually a cool idea. I wonder why no one has done it yet?
I can't disagree with that.
You want a blue dog, a liver dog, a "panda" try another breed.
I don't need to. I can get my favorite breed in my favorite color - if I wait long enough, LOL..
How about a weim, a vizsla, or a bernese mountain dog? They'll probably be healthier and more capable than what these puppy farm GSD breeders turn out.
Got a friend with a Visla - it's not nearly as human-centered, not nearly as eager to please, not nearly as physically substantial as my GSDs. I am more likely to close down a puppy mill as buy from one, and would never support a color breeder tht operated a puppy mill. Nor would I support a breeder without the appropriate helath checks - regardles of the color.
Hell, why not breed 150+ pound GSDs? People like them, right?
If they didn't suffer from health problems - why not?
Who needs St Bernards? How about GSDs who are too soft to do any kind of gripwork whatsoever? Why not!
There is no reason GSDs must solely be bred fro "grip work". They have numerous purposes - including companion animals.
Who needs golden retreivers? Lets just breed GSDs so there is a flavor for everyone and everyone! Standards, schmandards.
Your comparison arguments fall flat , but as for breeding GSDs for everyone - sure, why not? I do think that Standards schmandards is an appropriate sentiment when the standards for color are set without reason.
I'm gonna start breeding mini-GSDs so people who live in apartments who have a size limit on dogs can have a GSD, too!
That's actually a cool idea. I wonder why no one has done it yet?
by Two Moons on 28 March 2009 - 04:03
Newbies,
Read two books about the breed.
Read two books on training and obedience, hell read three of those.
Don't spend a lot of money on any dog if its your first, you'll need it for food and vets and other dog care items.
Talk to real people who own them first before you talk to owners trying to sell you something.
Know you can get screwed and be on guard and informed before you start out to buy.
Know what you want.
Know what to expect.
Or don't bother.
Read two books about the breed.
Read two books on training and obedience, hell read three of those.
Don't spend a lot of money on any dog if its your first, you'll need it for food and vets and other dog care items.
Talk to real people who own them first before you talk to owners trying to sell you something.
Know you can get screwed and be on guard and informed before you start out to buy.
Know what you want.
Know what to expect.
Or don't bother.
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