I Hope This Isn't True -- It Sickened Me !!! - Page 11

"But MaggieMae does not actually have to prove it happens to raise the issue."

Of course not.  But read the thread.  Maggie posts a link to  someone who saw an incidence of abuse nearly 30 YEARS AGO, in 1981 and writes, "It seems that Schutzhund (utilized by police and military) is synonymous with hanging, helicoptering, slamming and kicking, but it is not only members of the police and military who do these things."

She asks if this is true.  She is told by Schutzhund people it is not, that Schutzhund is NOT "synonymous with hanging, helicoptering, slamming and kicking."  Maggie then jumps to the conclusion that "dogs are treated this way in training," that she herself "is not a trainer," "does not do Schutzhund" yet somehow miraculously, without knowing anything about Schutzhund she knows that Schutzhund is "not beneficial for the dog" but is "more for the Owner's benefit ...and for the $$ it may bring from winning."

Maggie also says about aggression "Again, it all goes back to Schutzhund -- all that damn biting.....I think it is ridiculous."  She knows all this while admitting she is not a trainer, knows nothing about SchH, and has no desire to learn about it.  But she KNOWS this.  She says, "Why would you even think if is OK to bring a dog that is "Hard"...to a Club?"  and states she would have such a dog put down.  

Maggie, while admitting she's never been, never intends to go, and knows nothing about Schutzhund clubs, she writes that sueincc will be silent about any abuse she witnesses.

So don't pretend that people don't want an abuse issue brought up.  That is not the issue here at all.

 

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Steve: you could not have dominated that dog in any other way, such as, gee, let's see, simply holding him on the ground, no matter if he's snarling and struggling, HOLD HIM DOWN to express dominance in dog language, you could do nothing but knock out 4 1/2 teeth, put his head through a wall, and literally battle for ONE HOUR?

 

 

This whole thread just has me shaking my head. Some great points were made and completely ignored or turned around to mean something completely different from what original poster(s) meant. People will only believe what they want to believe, even with PROOF to back it up. Even if the PROOF is people who do not even know each other in real life who have the knowldge and experience to inform and educate.

I also have to comment on Steve's situation with Clint. PLEASE do NOT judge him or his method until you have been in his shoes. I pray you never will be. Trust me, you do not want to be on the other side of a dog who decides he is going to literally fight you. Do you have ANY idea how hard it can be to hold a 70 or so pound dog down WHILE it is trying maul you? While he is biting the crap out of you? How hard it is to save yourself and NOT kill the dog in question? Steve was literally fighting for his life.
I am a small woman, were my dog to come after me like that, I may not be here tomorrow to tell you about it, but you can be damn sure I will not go down without a fight. I have been in very similar situations after spending 17 years rescuing pit bulls and it is more scary than you can imagine to be attacked. It is very EASY for someone to say "you could/should have done this or that.".....When you are fighting for your life, you are NOT always thinking rationally either. It sounds to me like Steve was able to think while he was being mauled. That isn't easy either....You have to make split second decisions.
I have scars all over my arms and legs from being aggressively bitten/attacked over the years.

I wouldn't know Steve if he stepped on my foot, but be sure I will defend him on this.  

~Stacy

[waves to Steve] How ya doing? Long time no see!

BTW, someone mentioned my friend's husband kicking their 20 lb. rat terror part way across the yard to break up a fight between her and their older bitch. A few posters thought this was TERRIBLE.

I just wanted to update you. Both owners are now growling "BEHAVE!" at the bitch every time she so much as looks crosseyed at the other girl. If that doesn't draw her away from thoughts of a fight, she gets pinned to the ground for a bit. Her owner reports she seems to be settling down and is a lot less whiny and anxious since they've been doing this.

So, maybe this is one of those rare situations where two bitches who've been fighting CAN learn to co-exist!

This is a Decker rat terrier, the giant of the breed. She'll mature at 30 lbs. Needless to say,  I don't approve of kicking dogs, but have done it myself when trying to break up serious fights when  there was no one nearby to help.

You do what you have to in a situation like that, and hope you come through it with your skin, and your dog's skin more or less in one piece.

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