I Hope This Isn't True -- It Sickened Me !!! - Page 3

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"GSDs are naturally protective of family; they don't need to be trained to Bite a Sleeve."

Then how do you stop that naturally protective dog from biting when he, not you, determines he must protect?  My old dog fired up when he observed my young daughter play-wrestling with a boy of the same age.  Schutzhund gives the owner the tools to direct the dog, as opposed to allowing the dog to express his protective instinct indiscriminately.

There are plenty of litters with low to medium prey drive pups.  They are usually referred to as pet quality.  Even if you want to compete in AKC obedience, for example, a higher prey drive will help the dog succeed.  Yes, you have to work to direct his need to bite toward appropriate toys, but in the end you get a much more competitive dog.

If you simply want a companion you can train for good manners, a pup will low-to-medium drive might fit your needs more precisely.

Maggie

Schutzhund is about understanding drives and about control of the dog.  A biting puppy can easily be redirected with a minimal amout of correcttion often just verbal and redirected to a toy that is appropiate for the animal to chew on

What you puppy was showing was normal for a puppy sisne thats how puppies play with one another.  Your dog was wanting to PLAY with you.  You have to teach a dog the appropiate way to interact with people thats why you socialize your dog.

Agressive behavior is something entirely diifferent and has been stated MANY times before on this board will get you dismissed from a trial. The dog  needs to have strong nerves and NOT bite everything that moves.

Ideally by learning about drives or how a dog thinks you can use positive reinforcement and minimal compulsion to teach your dog

So since you are sharing your knowlege of the sport so freely... What does schutzhund obedience show? or  tracking?  Love to hear it.

The majority of people that do schutzhund are doing it because they enjoy being with their dogs and not just arguing with people on the internet

 

Is this a bait thread ?  

All horses kick, ya know.

Horses bite too. So I guess I'll go satisfy my own ego and put my Arab on the decoy...

But in all seriousness, there will always be some trainers and handlers that take methods and training aides to the extreme.

There will always be some dogs (for whatever reason - man made, genetic, etc) that require a stronger correction.

There will always be some trainers and handlers that are in it for ego.

But to generalize that all fall into the categories,  just feeds the less knowledgable (or ignorant) and creates a picture that is truely false.

It saddens me that there may come a day that protection sports may disappear or be watered down due to the serious lack of knowledge, understanding, and poor perception of what the proctection sports are all about.

The sad truth is that some people do all kinds of things to dogs in the name of training.Some train in a more humane manner,motivational ect. Some people do all kinds of things to other people,so it shouldn't come as a surprise that these people exist. There may be cases where this is a necessary correction,but I sure hope I never have to act in this manner.
                                                                                                                                                        Michael

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I choked the hell outta a black bear once .... I still don't see how I even managed to lasso it.  LMAO

I saved a baby fawn that day.

Well, if you ever work a hard. rank, handler aggressive dog you might have to do something to avoid going to the hospital.  I'm sure you probably will never own a dog like that, but you never know.  I'm not saying this technique is gentle, or to be used lightly or by an inexperienced handler.  But if it comes to being bitten by a really tough dog, I may hold him at arms length to avoid going to the hospital.  

Fortunately, most people here will never own a dog like that or be involved in training dogs of that caliber or nature.  Maggie, if you don't train, compete or do anything with your dogs what do you really know about temperament and training? 

Like I said before, Cesar does this to just about every aggressive dog he trains.  Editing is the reason you only see part of how he uses the technique.  When his "red zone" dogs go after him, then they show the dog a few minutes later exhausted lying on the ground panting and he is petting the dog; what do you think caused that dog to be on the ground in a state of exhaustion?  I don't think it was his calm submissive techniques that did it.  And I don't consider many of the dogs he trains on his show to be hard, rank, handler aggressive dogs. 

GSDs are naturally protective of family; they don't need to be trained to Bite a Sleeve. I still say it is all about Owner's ego and entertainment.

Honestly, with out the proper dog and training I doubt your GSD will ever protect you for real against a real bad guy with evil intentions.  You may think your dog will, but less than one in a thousand actually will.  Don't think because you have a GSD it will naturally protect you, I guarantee if it's a pet, AM or even German show line dog your chances are very slight that the dog will do anything to a determined bad guy except bark and then run.  You really can't expect anything else.  It would be the rare dog that would really commit without any training.  You need to be realistic, which most dog owners aren't. 

JMO,

Jim

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