Bax son in USA - Page 2

SGBH, Big mouth? At least my mouth doesn't drool and think of dollar signs when it comes to breeding conformation dogs! Look how lousey they work! I'm not the only one to think this either! Why do you think some people perfer workinglines when it comes to work over the showlines? Don't get me wrong... Theirs some showlines who do work and those are the showlines that DESERVES the VA status... not some "good looking" dog with a pitbull head that cant even fly to the sleeve on the courage test but rather stop on the brakes and then slowly take the bite. MichelleG, Are you blind? Look at Wicks picture again.. nice and carefully... Look at his back and look at the website that i listed above... He does HAVE a roach back, !!UNLESS!! if this is a really bad stack picture. Do you have a better picture of wick? Maybe theirs a better one, hopefully. As far as your quote "You are certainly not helping the breed with your bad-mouthing." and not opening my mouth is helping the breed? Oh please! This will be most breeders dream! by not speaking up and by educating the rest of the world of how roaches are disguesting :) ceddy, I don't really think I will be showing... too much dirty politics! And besides... I want to compete to myself... to compete of how much I improved by my training skills. With conformation... you cant do that as the dog will not improve angulation or withers,etc because that is APART of their bodies. Training is my compassion. I love it alot. I still cant understand why most conformation people cannot train their OWN dogs rather than shipping them off to germany or in the other part of the state to be trained.. Training is so much fun if you have the right dog with perfect bonding of the dog. Hopefully one day I will be able to work with German shepherds for a living, NOT BY BREEDING! I consider that blood money.

B. - How well a dog is ring trained has a lot to do with its placing in the ring. The best dog that is presented poorly will still just get a poor rating. Its no different than any other sport that requires training. But people competing at SchH rarely ever partake in ring training, do they? Once is usually all they can stand, and many SchH enthusiasts are happy with just an SG or a G, even if their dog could get a better rating with the appropriate training. They do not want to put their main effort into it, just like people that prefer to show do not want to put their main effort into the part that is less interesting to them. Also, most show people have a whole string of dogs, that all need to be trained AND maintained. One can only do so much. Look at the BSZS shows and see how many dogs a single owner may have showing there. And that is just their best, never mind what they still have at their kennel at home. In SchH most handlers have one or two dogs they are training and trialing at the same time. Maybe a couple of youngsters they are starting if they are really into it. Usually only more dogs if they are into it professionally, have staff, or a spouse who is into it as much as they are. Not all SchH and working line enthusiasts train their own dogs BTW. There are many working line kennels who have their dogs trained elsewhere. They have one or two dogs to compete with and they "outsouce" training of their breeding stock, or they buy them titled. That is the reality of things, my dear. Do you really think some of the large kennels can finish all the bitches they need to produce 10 or 20 litters a year? Many show line people trial their dogs without having much love for the sport and only do it out of necessity. They have a much harder time finding the right support behind them, in terms of helpers and trainers. Because the real SchH cracks do not want to waste their time on them. How can any dog be brought to its potential under such circumstances? I see it all the time. A good friend finally took her female (awesome working ability, that bitch means business) to a working line club and the improvement of the dog AND her owners handling abilities was phenomenal. There are MANY working line dogs that do NOT work at all. They are weak, whimpy, a waste of anyones time. They disappear, live on farms, in pet homes. These weak dogs we never hear of. Out of sight, out of mind. But they are there. You are generalizing where you cannot generalize. Both lines come from the same background. To bash one, means bashing the whole breed, its background, and all the accomplishments and most of all the legacy of all dogs that came before. BTW - that dog you are questioning has a level back. Level does not mean straight or flat. The standard asks for level, not straight. I could stack that same dog for you to look absolutely square with a back so straight you could balance a book on it. Or the American way with a flat sloping back so that a book would slide right off of him. Or with a back curved so strongly that he would put an Italian Greyhound to shame. You need to learn to look beyond things like how a dog is stacked and learn to see the dog for itself in spite of these artifical presenations. A dog shown in movement on a leash is not the same as when its moving freely on its own. What appears as a roach is not when you see the dog moving without the restrictions of a leash. And bottom line, Brittany. If judges who have been breeding, showing and judging for years and years all decide that a dog like Bax is the best there is, then who is to go against these judges decisions? A judges decision is final and to contradict it is poor sportsmanship. No ifs and buts about it. Politics are a part of it. In the ring as well as in the SchH arena. When you get to do your first trials, you will find out about the politics that are in the SchH sport as well.

Britanny, you are a waste of time and I think you arent exactly the sharpest tool in shed either...this is probably why you dont realize how ignorant you are being. Too bad cause a lot of good people have tried to help you. Anyways, let's just be happy that B. probably will never breed a litter and she will most likely eventually go away. Good response D.H. So back to the Bax son... Bax is not my personal favorite dog, but he has produced nicely. Wick Buchhorn is a very nice male! (Wick got his SchH 3,KKL1a by 21/2! Protection 96,91,91) He has an interesting pedigree.

Daniela, Another GREAT explaination. I doubt if she got it, however. Whoever get's you as a mentor, D.H., will have "hit the jackpot"! MichelleG, She will not listen and she will NEVER go away. She's fast becoming a legend in her own mind. And it is so hard to ignore her posts, for they are so vapid and inane in nature. Stephen

Ondo vom Laachaer Haus (brother of Oliver) is in the USA. http://www.wustenbergerland.com/males.html Brittany, what I don't understand is just a little while ago you were proclaiming that Ando would be Sieger if he was entered in this years Sieger Show. If you are calling Wick a roach back, tell me what you call Ando? In the article you posted above, what gives this person the credentials to prove this roach? She states she has been studying this breed for 30 year, but which part of the breed? The American lines, German show, German working? I have met very few American show breeders that don't consider German dogs to be roached backed, seen or unseen. They know a completely different standard than the SV standard. You complain about how there is too much Ursus blood and think that another bloodline should be in this years Sieger. Bax is a recent Sieger that is Ursus free, yet himself has a fantastic pedigree, and you complain about the dog. Have you seen anything other than a picture of the dog? Do you understand how valuable a pedigree such as his can be to the breed? You constantly state you have no interest in the conformation showing, but do you understand that it is still part of the breed? Even working dogs have to show at least once to get a Koer. If you have never been to a conformation show, then you have to reason to bash it or the people that are passionate about showing. Daniela, Excellent post. I always enjoy the information you have to offer.

My favoritre lines are, Wienerau, Arminius, Wildsteiger Land (especially Uran and his dam Palme), von Batu, Noricum, Hasenborn, Römerau, Farbenspiel, Kirschental, Aduct, Bad-Boll, Arlett, Fanto Hirschel and Wilhendorf. QUOTE FROM BRITTANY! (Which by the way was deleted last night...) I guess the mod and Brit are Buds??? Brittany, your brains fall out every time you post ANYTHING!

The SV standard as revised In June 1997: "Body "The overline preceeds from the neck, continuing over the high, long withers and over the straight back through the slightly sloping croup without abrupt change".

Webster's New World dictionary "Level, adj, 1. perfectly flat and even; 2. not sloping 3. even in height (with)"

schaeferhunde, You are really something... You copy and paste something that I had placed up a YEAR ago! Do you have any life at all? Do you continue searching up my PAST post simply so you can start up arguments about me? who are you exactly? Besides somebody who's hiding under an anonymous name? Go train your dogs and quit acting like a fool here. As far as me and the mod being buddies... Not highly. However I do believe that she is doing a great job in moderating this place and I have to give her credit on that part. If you want to know why your post was removed... Please go read the TOS... maybe you'll get the idea. wow I really digged up a deep hole with you show line breeders but a fact is a fact that MOST show lines DO have a roach back. I know that most of you guys will denied it because you want to continue believing that you guys are breeding the "Perfect" Shepherd with Ursus lines.

could so many gsd breeders & judges have got it wrong?? Just thinking aloud ... ;-)