Look GARD, it's a real dog!!! - Page 5

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Maggie????  Do you know why the gunfire and blind attack were eliminated???  And, do you know why your dog was allowed to be bred with a 70,70,70 but not allowed to move up to the next level until it obtained a 70,70,80 at the previous one?

As for standing on the Winner's stage at the Sieger show?????  That is something I would absolutely, positively, never, ever, ever WANT to do.  Might as well get up there in a freakin' skirt.  And that will never happen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,okay maybe once, but she was really cute and I had a lot to drink.

I've taken a dog from an 8 week old puppy to high V at a Sieger show. She was actually pulled out in the VA3 position, but she had only SchH1 and her ring training sadly lacking, I didn't pay to put a professional on her, so she lost places. It was almost as good as the compliments we got from the decoys on what a great working bitch she is. Might not have been on the podium but it was a nice start for my first ever schutzhund dog. I am a far cry from the "big players" but I have no interest in owning a kennelful of dogs, I'm happy with my 2-3 excellent dogs in my home. If that means I'll never own a VA, I'm ok with that. I know my dogs can get the work done, honestly.

How many progeny of American VA dogs have you ever worked with, Maggie? German VAs?  How many working line dogs? How many other "sport" breeds, mals, dutchies, dobes, rotts? 

"When you are standing on the Winner's Stage of a Sieger Show with YOUR dog" Let's call it a two way street, then, shall we?

Phil, I have a theory that absolutely every man puts on women's clothing at least once in his life. No judgements, man, no judgements.

MAGGIE!!!  Sorry, didn't mean to yell.  Do you know the answers to the above questions??  Do you need help??  There are Cliff Notes available if you need them.  The answer would be to help the show dogs pass.  The blind attack to many, me included, was the best test in the Schutzdienst.  It was a surprise attack on the handler that the dog was supposed to defend.  It was not to be a prey bite as in the video of the last BSZS that we saw.  It was a close surprise, not halfway across field as we saw in the last BSZS video.  We know why the gunfire was eliminated, gunfire??  Long down??  See 'ya!

Held
you do not have a clue about the sport of Schutzund, Complete ingnorance on your part The dog could not control its nerves, Going into the blind is not to ATTACK it is too GUARD so it shows how little you know No more to be said on this for i cannot put up with silly people like you,
Steve

Steve, the dog cares nothing about the "sport" that man has developed.  Does not care about the "rules" of the guarding in the blind, he only knows what and how he was taught.  What he knows is find the guy and bite him.  The problem in this case is training that is not complete.  The dog should not have been off leash.  Sending the dog straight into the blind as opposed to around it was probably too tempting for this dog and he overloaded.  Remember, he was already in there once, straight in, find the guy.  Second time he just said, screw it, found him, now I'm gonna kill him.  Bad handling, bad training, pure and simple, should have been on a leash until training is more advanced.  Can't say good dog, bad dog from one brief video but I can say in this particular case , bad training, bad handling, bad helping, bad spectating.  Video quality seemed okay!!

Nice post... who the hell is supposed to know what is going on here????

I like the dog, dont like the training.. the same thing happened to me, helper got stupid and went on to disciplining my dog.. did not go well, few stitches and I never used that helper again.. he was a moron I told him to let me discipline the dog if he starts acting up !!!! I was right there and he kicked the dog.. firs time, good, second time.. well my male came off the sleeve and took his thigh..

Here we go again.. show, VA, pretty dogs, ugly dogs and the whole package dogs.. Show me the whole package and I want to see him in competition, not just passing because he/she is pretty..
I've told many, many times... show me a good show dog and I will take him.. I think they are pretty.. I like to work them also. Pretty dog is awesome, I want one that has guts, great temperament and works..
Why don't you talk about the Show dogs that you have seen and took your breath away in the works also? not just hold your breath and prey that the dog is going to somehow pass?

Who cares.. anymore? Who breeds those dogs anymore? WHO?? I wanna know!

Looks like this thread has two division of debate going on!!!

Commenting on the video, my first reaction was that the training for the B&H was not solid enough to have the dog doing the guarding off-leash.  And the bad correction on the part of the helper to try to clean the dirty sleeve bite for the B&H exercise.  Nothing wrong with the dog.  We do not know if the dog has ever gained his first title so we cannot assume it has the foundation for the B&H in place for off-leash work.

I'm just a pet person, but the dog went after the arm hitting him, seems kinda smart to me. 
They are supposed to let go when told, right?