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by Uber Land on 03 May 2010 - 17:05
you ever look at the puppy prices on Tina's site? very absurd. and people complain alot about fliescherheim prices, sheesh, look at Tina's site a little more often.
by Psycht on 03 May 2010 - 18:05
Am I to understand that Shilohs have been under development since 1974 but a breed standard was not written until 1990? So I guess for 16 years they were just breeding oversized out of standard GSDs until it was decided to write a standard and rename them Shilohs?
by Tina M. Barber on 03 May 2010 - 18:05
It's such a shame that NONE of you bothered to read my article -- just proves that you know NOT what you speakest! #1. That ad you posted was in Dog World mag over 30 years ago! I think that the pics were taken in 1980 by Mary Belle Adelman!! Go ask her, my dogs were all AKC registered back in those days -- I did not leave the AKC until the 90's -- complete documentation has been published ALL over the Internet!! Go back to my history link & take a look!
#2. Mystere, I am shocked at your statement!! Are you stating that you agree with the people that are selling AKC German Shepherds as "shilohs"?? I don't think it's hurting ANY of my sales, all my pups go quickly -- but I will make sure that those folks give the GSD's (your dogs) a bad name!! While I am busy exposing *them* -- YOU are getting the backlash!
#3. From the replies I have seen, it's obvious that you DON'T want to hear the truth -- or find out about the things that I know -- so go ahead, stick your head in the sand -- the slivers are using my "name" but selling YOUR dogs! As I expose THEIR fraud, I am also exposing YOUR kennel names as the BYB's they are dealing with! <excuse me while I barf>
by hodie on 03 May 2010 - 18:05
With all the Shilohs I have ever seen and dealt with, all had significant health problems and some had serious temperament issues. So you have not created any super breed or anything other than a way to make your living defrauding others trying to tell them you had something you did not. None of us give a hoot what you say. You started with GSDS, saw a good way to try to pull a scam and did so. Now you're pissed off because others come and make the same stupid claims you do, but you don't get a cut. How unfortunate. And yes, I know your ad came from years ago. It still does not change anything.........
by Tina M. Barber on 03 May 2010 - 18:05
Am I to understand that Shilohs have been under development since 1974 but a breed standard was not written until 1990? So I guess for 16 years they were just breeding oversized out of standard GSDs until it was decided to write a standard and rename them Shilohs?
Psycht -- can I please see your bio?? How many years have YOU been breeding dogs?? What is your kennels contribution to purebred dogs??? Champions you have produced -- high in trial dogs, etc. etc.. produced by YOUR kennel?? Any books, articles (on genetics) that you'd like to share??
by Bhaugh on 03 May 2010 - 19:05
What I dont understand is that after some 30 years if the breed is so great why has it NOT BEEN RECONIZED BY ANY BREED CLUB? That goes for any other designer breed. Creating their own registry in my book does nothing to establish them as a reconized breed. So I say to anyone who says they have a great breed they want everyone to embrace: Get them registered with FCI then we will talk.
by kitkat3478 on 03 May 2010 - 19:05
hat's the Here we go,,"""HOODIE AND THE USUAL BLOWFISH"",
If you like it or NOT...Tina Barber is working to develope her OWN breed, SHE determines what is a Shiloh Shepherd,SHE knows what she expects from HER breed of dog NOT YOU!!!!
If you don't like a Shiloh,"DON'T GET ONE"pretty simple.SHE is NOT claiming them to be German Shepherds, IS SHE!!!!Your IDLE Max, used WHITE Shepherds in HIS mix, BUT, you all want to knock the white dogs down like they have NO BUSINESS in the German Shepherd World...THEY were there from the start!!!
NOW, lets see about ALL these BLOWFISH, that want to claim, "I AM A GERMAN SHEPHERD RESCUER", HOWEVER, IF you want a dog I rescued, IT WILL COST YOU BETWEEN 100 and 600 dollars,(you know, expenses).
Whats the PURPOSE of RESCUE, TO MAKE A BUCK...OR SAVE A DOG...I see TOOOOOO many "so called rescuer's putting the $$$$$$$ in front of the dog...If you SAVE A DOG, do it BECAUSE YOU WANT TO...NOT TO MAKE A $$$$$$,
Which those bitchin about Tina and a $$$$$$, ARE MORE THAN GUILTY OF WORSE....
(oh...a litter of purebreds and their pups...send them to me...READ between the lines)
If you like it or NOT...Tina Barber is working to develope her OWN breed, SHE determines what is a Shiloh Shepherd,SHE knows what she expects from HER breed of dog NOT YOU!!!!
If you don't like a Shiloh,"DON'T GET ONE"pretty simple.SHE is NOT claiming them to be German Shepherds, IS SHE!!!!Your IDLE Max, used WHITE Shepherds in HIS mix, BUT, you all want to knock the white dogs down like they have NO BUSINESS in the German Shepherd World...THEY were there from the start!!!
NOW, lets see about ALL these BLOWFISH, that want to claim, "I AM A GERMAN SHEPHERD RESCUER", HOWEVER, IF you want a dog I rescued, IT WILL COST YOU BETWEEN 100 and 600 dollars,(you know, expenses).
Whats the PURPOSE of RESCUE, TO MAKE A BUCK...OR SAVE A DOG...I see TOOOOOO many "so called rescuer's putting the $$$$$$$ in front of the dog...If you SAVE A DOG, do it BECAUSE YOU WANT TO...NOT TO MAKE A $$$$$$,
Which those bitchin about Tina and a $$$$$$, ARE MORE THAN GUILTY OF WORSE....
(oh...a litter of purebreds and their pups...send them to me...READ between the lines)
by Psycht on 03 May 2010 - 20:05
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by Mystere on 03 May 2010 - 20:05
Psycht,
C'mon, you know evasive answers when you see them. So do the rest of those reading these posts and they are free to make an adverse inference from her refusal to respond to your question.
Barber,
I don't know what you are so shocked about. I long ago learned that there are people out to make a buck off dogs in general and gsds in particular, whether they call such products "rare colors", shiloh shepherds, Shepadoodles, Malasheps, whatever. It is all to make a BUCK, just like YOU. So, what? You are whining that someone is cutting into your revenues? That's the free market for you--someone else bred a "better" mastadon-looking gsd-sorta and called it a shiloh. So, what? You worried that there will be yet another shiloh registry running without your control? C'est dommage, mais je n'en fiche.
C'mon, you know evasive answers when you see them. So do the rest of those reading these posts and they are free to make an adverse inference from her refusal to respond to your question.
Barber,
I don't know what you are so shocked about. I long ago learned that there are people out to make a buck off dogs in general and gsds in particular, whether they call such products "rare colors", shiloh shepherds, Shepadoodles, Malasheps, whatever. It is all to make a BUCK, just like YOU. So, what? You are whining that someone is cutting into your revenues? That's the free market for you--someone else bred a "better" mastadon-looking gsd-sorta and called it a shiloh. So, what? You worried that there will be yet another shiloh registry running without your control? C'est dommage, mais je n'en fiche.
by Sunsilver on 03 May 2010 - 20:05
What you don't understand is EXACTLY the things you are complaining about. You are calling the Shilohs 'badly bred GSD mixes!" Tina DID get her dogs recognized by the FCI, but they didn't care a hoot about what they recognized as a Shiloh, and were letting in exactly the sort of dogs you are deriding.
The same thing happened with the American Rare Breed Club. Breeders who had broken with Tina are registering their dogs with ARBA. They are NOT true Shilohs. They are GSD mixes. The 'other side', the breeders Shiloh folk call 'slivers' have made over 100 outcrosses to GSDs in the last few years. The true Shiloh, the breed founder's dogs, were last outcrossed to Artus, a longcoated GSD, who was imported from Germany in 1990. He passed away a couple of months ago at age 13. Many of his ancestors are registered here on the database. He himself was registered with the Alte Deutscher Schaeferhund Verband, an alternate registry for the longcoated dogs.
The Shiloh breed standard was not written until 1990, because prior to that all of Tina's dogs were AKC registered GSDs. In 1990, she broke with the AKC, and stopped issuing AKC papers to her dogs and her affiliated breeders.
Tina's vision for these dogs has been constant since she started breeding. She alone knows 'the recipe'. The breeders who are outcrossing to GSDs have stolen her name, and are producing 'fake Shilohs' with poor temperments and numerous conformation faults. As they can't get their hands on real Shilohs, they are outcrossing to prevent inbreeding in their gene pool, and are ruining 40 years of carefully planned breeding.
Hey, how would YOU feel if someone started breeding pet quality GSDs, using YOUR kennel name? Wouldn't you be really, really ticked off?
The same thing happened with the American Rare Breed Club. Breeders who had broken with Tina are registering their dogs with ARBA. They are NOT true Shilohs. They are GSD mixes. The 'other side', the breeders Shiloh folk call 'slivers' have made over 100 outcrosses to GSDs in the last few years. The true Shiloh, the breed founder's dogs, were last outcrossed to Artus, a longcoated GSD, who was imported from Germany in 1990. He passed away a couple of months ago at age 13. Many of his ancestors are registered here on the database. He himself was registered with the Alte Deutscher Schaeferhund Verband, an alternate registry for the longcoated dogs.
The Shiloh breed standard was not written until 1990, because prior to that all of Tina's dogs were AKC registered GSDs. In 1990, she broke with the AKC, and stopped issuing AKC papers to her dogs and her affiliated breeders.
Tina's vision for these dogs has been constant since she started breeding. She alone knows 'the recipe'. The breeders who are outcrossing to GSDs have stolen her name, and are producing 'fake Shilohs' with poor temperments and numerous conformation faults. As they can't get their hands on real Shilohs, they are outcrossing to prevent inbreeding in their gene pool, and are ruining 40 years of carefully planned breeding.
Hey, how would YOU feel if someone started breeding pet quality GSDs, using YOUR kennel name? Wouldn't you be really, really ticked off?
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