VA 1(DK) Karat`s Ulko have lost his title - Page 3

Hi all, After reading this thread I have a few things to add. I was at the 2006 USA Sieger Show. The dog failed from healing Not biting. I also saw Charlie Starr actually give the dog some very hard corrections. He didnt attack charlie or anything elseo for that matter. I havent seen enough with this dog to assume he has a temperament issues. Also if you are true fans of this sport you will know that we need these types of dogs for breeding. Walter Martin said that he like to throw a nutt in his lines to keep the fire and temperament in his dogs. Im not saying the Ulko is a nutt. Also just because you don't see dog trying to bite a handler doesn't mean the dog hasnt done it before or doesnt have a temperament issue. If any of you would go and Ask Tfloyd about Fabian Mittelwest he will tell you Fabian "ain't no punk". Meaning if you give him alot of correction the dog will try his handler. Does that mean Fabian has bad temperament? Absolutely not.In fact that give him more value for breeding IMO. All the show people that think this is bad temperament shouldn't judge before know and see the dog. My question for all yall is this. If he was a police dog and did the same thing would you say he has bad temperament and don't use him. I think not. Maybe the show ring isn't for Ulko i dont know but his temperament is need for the German shepherd breed. Most of us show don't have a clue about temperament or working drives in general. Personally I think that Ulko just needs a great trainer to help with the training.At the USA show Ulko temperament was one of few i liked. It shows me that the dog "aint no punk" and is harder than most show dogs. He didnt heel but when he ran in the blind he did a very very strong holding bark. No looking out of the blind, not 10 ft from the helper bark but up close and in his face. You have to appreciate dogs like that. All he needs is a handler /trainer to let him know who is running the show. I am willing to bet anyone that if he goes to the WDA Sieger Show Charlie Starr will have that heeling issue fixed. Stop bad mouthing the dog until you know him. As i said we need hard dogs like this to breed our weakier females to. I for one am happy to see Ulko here. ceddy

<<<,As i said we need hard dogs like this to breed our weakier females to>>> Or better yet...breed our Strong females to. Uwe

Drache Feld is the second owner of Ulko. Jimmy Rasmusson bred and owned dog up until DF. He was used extensively at stud there, and bitches from Karat's are here being bred to him!!! Yes - the dog was trained by and lived with a trainer in Denmark...how many of the major breeders in Germany handle and train all if any of their own dogs in schutzhund???? but in the video, apparently for the off lead, Jimmy Rasmusson decided to handle the dog and he and the dog did not have a familar relationship!!!! Maybe the whole segment should have been posted - like where the dog does the whole off lead correctly with a person he is not used to being handled by!!!! A GSD is supposed to be aloof.....Aloof is not aggession - any dominant male worth his salt does not like to be mauled about the head, and won't play kissy face happy dance with every stranger that want's to see him! Again, the working ability is what every showline breeder is saying they are striving to produce along with the look....Ulko has it. Be happy that maybe some of you may be able to incorporate it into YOUR programs.

Kougar wrote: "A GSD is supposed to be aloof.....Aloof is not aggession - any dominant male worth his salt does not like to be mauled about the head, and won't play kissy face happy dance with every stranger that want's to see him! Again, the working ability is what every showline breeder is saying they are striving to produce along with the look....Ulko has it. Be happy that maybe some of you may be able to incorporate it into YOUR programs." AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!!!!

This dog came to the U.S. with the label of having temperament issues. This is a fact, if any breeders from Denmark will be honest they will elaborate on some of his past. This is a MAJOR reason why he was sold. The breeders in Europe know this and would not chance continuing to use him. A dog that can not be trusted in public is NOT correct in temperament plain and simple. The Police would NOT want an out of control dog like this and neither would Walter Martin. Try to concentrate the dog, not how many times he was bred or how large his progeny group was. He is anatomically very nice, I can not speak on how he produces, I do not have, nor have I spent any time with progeny from him. He may very well be an excellent producer. I can only state that anyone who has been around GSD's for any length of time whether they are show or working lines and has seen this dog in action can not say that there are not temperament issues involved. Please do not equate eagerness to engage the helper with having strong drives or sound character, it is just not so. I stand by my original statement that this dog is NOT clear in the head. Once again, not to bash, and not to say anything against Charlie who’s a hell of a good guy. If we can not be open and honest when discussing dogs then it only defeats the purpose of this board.

Hi GSDMan. Your right in your comment and to Kougar sure i`m from denmark so my english is maybe bad, but anyway the DKK(danish kennel Klub) have taken his Title from 2005 (VA1) sure he still have his VA title from past Year but there he was not sieger.....but if you want to know more just call DKK and ask they will tell you the same.....and after what i know from people here the dog is only to be trustet in the hands of JENS CARLSENG(the trainer)but if you have a good female clear in the head.....maybe,i would never take the chance. Best Regards

Gsdman, This dog was in no way aggressive at the Usa Seiger Show. There was no danger to anyone or anything while he was at the show. I am also glad that you said out of control because in fact that is all it was. The problem with the dog was simply training. I also saw the dog at the WDA show in North Carolina. I walked up to the dog and pet him right after bitework. he didnt growl or try and bite me. If you can say its a temperament issue but i can't see it. Also GSDman. Tell me us here on the board a little about your personal interaction with the dog. Have you worked him or any dogs for that matter in bitework? Are you a certified helper in either club? Im just trying to learn from you as well as other's how you are reading a this dogs character. Please give us details about your dogs experience.

Cedric Greene, I am not a certified helper, just like you are not one either. I have not personally worked the dog just like you have not either. So tell me, what expertise do you bring to the table? Does that make your opinion more or less informed than mine? I have given my honest opinion on the dog just as you have given yours. I have not questioned your knowledge or experience or asked you to provide a resume to back up your opinion. I do not have to have the sleeve on my arm or be certified to give an honest opinion on a dog, I’ve seen enough over the years. People can have differences in opinion and obviously you and I do. No ill will towards you or hard feelings. I have friends in Denmark who have told me about people that have been bitten by this dog. Their word is good enough for me, they have no motives to degrade or knock this dog, they only advised me of his problems after I inquired about him as a possible stud for one of my females. I liked the way he matched up in both geno and pheno type for the breeding but did not know anything about his character or temperament. After seeing him in person I will not be using him, best of luck to those that do.

GSDman, For starters ive never worked the dog. Second i am certified with you USA.You might want to check the facts about me before you assume im not certified.As far as expertise i have been the training helper for now a total of 4 world team dogs. Currently I am the helper for The current WDA 2006 national champion and the 2nd place dog as the WDA 2006 Nationals. Both dog being in my club I also was the helper for several top working rotties in the late 90's early 2000. Both dog being in my club.I simply asked have you worked the dog and how you qualify as being able to judge a dog. I think personally your opinion matters more of helpers that worked him. If there are any helpers that have worked him please speak up.

GSDman, Since you told the world what my name is please be so kind as to reveal who you are. have we ever met or worked dogs together?