VA 1(DK) Karat`s Ulko have lost his title - Page 5

And a 5 year old dog who changes handlers, trainers, homes, languages etc etc etc should perform like a machine??????????????????? Come on people!!! The dog is STRONG - he wants to go out and rock and roll with the helper!!! He is stimulated by the crowd - tell us bluenight - is the control and heeling to the blind the way bitework is done in the Danish Sieger show????He lies by the ring and watches other dogs do bitework and when it is his turn he is geared - overloaded - to go???? From the descriptions he sounds like a terrific dog - does not need a choreographed effort from the helper to shove the sleeve in the mouth. You all want these "STALLION" like males!!!!!!!!! Do you understand what a "stallion" actually is????? Any intact male should have some gumption - and a often used, breeding male should think he IS "King of the World" - this dog sounds like a great example of what is needed to add some "omph" to counter the temperament everyone cries is lacking in the breed!!!! He was with trainer Carlseng for nearly 5 years, and with Charlie a few months - of course he is not totally in tune with Charlie yet!!!!!!!!! I think there are some axes being gound here......

It's very clear from the tape that the handler is being very cautious even before the dog attacks him. This is immediate dismissal in ANY show. There's a rumor that the dog bit Josh Scott, (who the dog knows well) and sent him for stitches on the last night of the Sieger Show in Danbury. Besserwisser and Kougar are sure trying hard to cover for the dog, as everyone likes and respects Charlie, but let's be serious. Everyone in Denmark is telling us the dog was dangerous. Now we've even seen a tape to prove it. Isn't it clear that the dog is unsound? This is not what a GSD is supposed to be about. A dog biting it's own handlers is not my idea of sound. Also, Jimmy has nothing to do with Ulk. (Nice try, Besserwisser!)

too many rumors and not enough common sense IMO I haven't seen Ulko in person, but have some video footage of him and Wolf that Charlie sent me...and obviously, I talk to Charlie and we have talked about the dog. One of my club members has bred to him and is very happy with his pups.

Kougar....I’m not trying to be rude and I’m not looking to start a fight with you, but you have heard first hand accounts of Ulko's behavior along with video footage that supports much of what’s been said, these are not rumors, these are facts. You say that you have never seen the dog in person yet you are making up excuses for him. You play this off as “people with an axe to grind”. It’s great that you are supportive of Charlie and the dog he is handling and promoting, as you know he is not the owner, but Charlie being a great guy does not change reality as it pertains to this dog. Now you tell me....where is YOUR common sense? I sincerely hope that much of Ulko’s problems are training related however as I've already stated I’m inclined to think differently based on what I’ve actually seen, not heard.

Look, I have no experience in training a dog for any of the mansports so mayvbe no one gives a damn about my take on this dog. I have owned and trained in other disciplines since 1970 and have had to deal some very tough, very strong dogs in other working breeds. I have to admit the video made the hair on the back of my neck prickle and I would not be comfortable around a dog that reacted that way. The handler did a great job of keeping himself from getting hurt. Should he have been dismissed? Depends on the rules. At AKC shows a dog that behaved in that manner would have at least been excused and probably disqualified needing to be reinstated by going through a long process. He would need to earned a CGC and then pass a stand for examination and some other temperament evaluations before being allowed back in the ring. IMO that's a good thing and AKC isn't always wrong about everything. However, I also have to ask the question - is it possible this dog could have been mishandled at one time? An e-collar used on his testicles or abdomen? Dog wetted down before using the e-collar? Flanking? Table training? Not making any accusations here, just asking. I think we can all agree that in any dog population there are bound to be individuals that have that borderline temperament; these dogs either end up as super dogs or dangerous animals depending on the way they are handled and the skill of the trainer is paramount. The true test of this dog might be his progeny; how are their temperaments? I trust what Kougar is saying as I know her to be an honorable person. I don't think she would promote a dangerous dog regardless of who owned it.

Ah - but I don't know these people who have opinions based on what others say and saw - which is not first hand knowledge!! I do however know people who were at the Sieger show who posted!!! I know- blackgsd for example, he also was at the Sieger show and intrepeted what happended differently than GSDMAN - and I don't know how you can get more "first hand information" than from the person holding the leash!!!!! And I have heard about the dog directly from Charlie, as well as a friend in my club who bred to him and personally interacted with the dog - absolutely "first hand" information you have to admit!!! Also, anyone who hides their identity while attempting to discredit others immediately loses their credibility IMO - if you have integrity and are reputable, why hide????

hit enter accidently!!! "blackgsd" is a working person - whom I know personally and with whom I had already discussed not only this dog but others at the Sieger Show...a person with whom I stood and watched bitework with at NASS - so someone whose interpretations of dog behavior are credible to me FROM PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF HIM!!! And who IMO described what happened above, and that info and opinion was confirmed by and in agreement with Charlie's when I had talked to him!!! So my disagreeing with GSDMan is basically because of "first hand information" from people whose identities are KNOWN and who are reputable, credible people. snippets of video - of messages - of conversations also will give a very different impression than that which actually happened. Not just here, but in any circumstances! I don't think my male would like a relative stranger cranking on him either - nor would most adult stud dogs who have any strength of character!

Ah - does anonymity translate into lack of credibility? It's a shame you feel that way, it says a lot about you. Who more than the person holding the leash would have more at stake regarding the reputation of the dog??? I do not have to try and discredit this dog, his recent performance and his past performances tell the true story, but I won't sit back and listen to people such as you try to play off what is reality either, save the excuses and face the facts. This has run it's course, some people wouldn't know what a good temperament on a GSD is even if it turned around and bit them....…as is evident here. I hope you breed to him and he gives you fabulous pups! Best of luck.

LOL LOL Yes - it does - if you want to buy a watch, you are walking around NYC - who would have more credibility - Cartiers or the guy calling you into an alley offering you a Rolex????? I KNOW these people, I trust their opinions and their information. Maybe if I knew you and had experience wiht you, I would give more weight to your INTREPRETATION of the incident. No, I won't breed to him - I am not a big show breeder - I do working lines! He and my sable females just would be like draft horses and racehorses....But I respect people who are straight forward and honest -And thus, I admire a show dog who can work.

My two cents in a broad sort of way is: I wouldn't own any GSD that would allow himself to be yanked on by someone he hardly knows let alone might not respect. I expect my GSDs, especially males, to be extremely tough and aloof to people they hardly know. I know if someone tried to correct my male GSD in anyway he would be all over them. I don't know anything about this particular dog because I don't own showlines I just thought I would throw my opinion in as a general view on what I would expect to happen if this was my male.