VA 1(DK) Karat`s Ulko have lost his title - Page 8

I have tried to go to this site to see this vidio to no avail. Would someone please walk me through it so that I can see what the controversy is all about? Thanks. ecs

When you go into the site, click on Karat's Ulko and the 2nd paragraph holds the video clip. I believe that the video does not show what happened in between to the point of Ulko's distress. Looking at his body language just before he jumps up you can tell that he was already distressed about something. I think it unfair to speak badly of the dog without full knowledge...certainly, the history of his breeder should lend some merit.

Mandy. I`M glad that you know all the dogs of kennel Karat,that tells me that you dont know anything,and becourse you are defending this dog so much is maybe becourse you know the owner as good as you do but okay if you where there in 2005 i`m sorry....try to look at the background of the single dog before you tell everyone how good you are with dogs and after that maybe you can confirm if there has been this problems in his home land. thanks

I just did a little bit of research on some of the most vehement posters on this thread - the very insistant and strident negative posters in the first parts, and a few of the latter are obviously dual personalities - GSDMan has only been on one other thread over a year ago and obviously has an agenda of some sort! He is the only spectator who is insisting that the behavior he saw be condemned - and insisting that his opinion is "fact"!!! Other people who also were at the Sieger show are not in agreement with his OPINION!!!! bluenight was looking for a "pretty puppy" a year ago!!! So does it look like he really has years and years of experience to validate his opinions???? His email addy is in the initial ad under his user ID history - so he should be easy enough to find in Denmark for those there... Sweetie - just joined, so someone needing to help themselves out with their agenda. This site is the most valuable GSD resource on the net!!!!!!!!! WHY do people insist on using it in malicious and vindictive personal attacks???????????? Why do warped and stupid posters and discussions continue posting and alternate IDs keep showing up to support total nonsense and jeprodize this valuable site???????? And this whole topic is one which is apparently based on aother gossipy board in another country and has no basis in reality. The dog is strong and according to all whose opinion is to be respected, a male worthy of contributing to the breed, particularly in working ability. That is esy to conclude from all these posts.

Kougar, as I stated right at the beginning of my initial post "Not to flame or berate the dog but I.M.O. he has definite temperament issues." Kougar says: "GSDMan has only been on one other thread over a year ago and obviously has an agenda of some sort!" I have no agenda other than to voice my opinion of the dog. If you or any others disagree that is certainly your prerogative, but just because my opinion does not coincide with yours do not make statements against me that I have some sort of hidden agenda...in fact after re-reading your post I'm inclined to say that you are the one with the hidden agenda. Get off your high horse and contribute to this thread based on fact, like maybe having actually seen the dog. You have a lot of nerve speaking about others opinions when it's obvious you are only trying to be popular. I have not seen anything said that was malicious or vindictive, just an obvious difference of opinion as it pertains to this dog, plain and simple. Go to the next show where the dog will be exhibited and form your own opinion....until YOU can comment based on facts, and what YOU have actually seen, the rest of your comments, and those of others that have NOT seen the dog are just B.S. So tell me, where's the agenda now????

This is my opinion for what it's worth... The genetics for good bite work are in this dog's pedigree. This is proven by what he and Ulk have produced. It is VERY valuable for show lines! The issue to me, in this video seems like a personal issue with the breeder/handler. Maybe some past training issue? I know first hand that they produce excellent bite work, as I have an 18 month old Ulk son. His bite work is already fantastic with full, hard genetic grips. THis is not only my opinion but that of one of the top helpers in the USA. In fact this helper has had Ulko on his arm and he says that my Ulk son bites even better than Ulko. In his opinion Ulko has a training issue as the genetics are there. He has a working line litter on the ground that looks to be fantastic! THis is my goal- to produce correct V-VA conformation with competition worthy working qualities. Whether you agree with that or not, it IS working! Debby

As I posted earlier, I saw Ulko up close for a while over the weekend of May 6-7. I saw him do some obedience and just hang out. I have no agenda whatsoever with regard to the dog. It was purely by chance that I saw him when his handler had him out for an airing from his trailer box. I probably will never see him again as he is residing in Kentucky several hundred miles away from where I live. I just thought, it would be useful to present what I saw since this appeared to be a subject of some interest. As I said earlier, the dog, while not overly friendly, was fine around people. Appears to be ball driven and did some nice obedience. I have not seen the video that everyone is talking about, but I wonder if it matters. Those of you who have trained dogs for any length of time ought to know that there are several possibilities. Once aggressive does not always mean aggressive. The circumstances surrounding those events in Denmark may have caused whatever it is that happened. The history the dog had with the handler may have caused it. One time I saw a handler punch his dog the day before a trial and on the day of the trial, the dog attacked him and not the helper. But, even if this was not a one time occurance, it still does not mean the dog would have to be permanently aggressive. I have had schutzhund show dogs that were both people and or dog aggressive and over time I was able to modify their behavior so that they were safe and able to control their agression. Of course, it could be the Ulko is a very dangerous and aggressive dog, I really don't know. I saw him twice for 15 minutes each time and he wasn't doing bitework. But at least I actually saw him and was able to observe him for myself--and recently--which is more than nearly any other poster of this discussion. It does seem extraordinary that so many people who have neither seen the dog or know about his background have such strong opinions. In the end the problem will solve itself, because if he is all that agressive, it is unlikely he will be seen at any major shows again.

Could we please end this thread on that note from Gertrude?

03-05-2006: Schæferhundeklubben for Danmarks Hovedbestyrelse har modtaget DKKs kendelse i sagen vedrørende Karats Ulko samt dennes placering på klubbens Hovedavlsskue 2005. Afgørelsen er som følger: 1. Karats Ulko fratages sin Avlsklassepræmiering fra Hovedavlsskuet 2005. 2. Dommer Fritz Bennedbæk tildeles en misbilligelse. 3. Schæferhundeklubben opfordres til at annullere eventuelle præmieringer tildelt Karats Ulko på dagen. ----------------------------------------------------- 03-05-2006 The Danish GDS Club has reseved The Danish Kennels Club verdict in the case, regarding Karats Ulko and his placement on The Danish GSD Club's Siegerschau 2005 The verdict is as folowed 1. Karats Ulko is remowed his VA1 title from the Danish Siegershau 2005 2. The Judge is given a deprecation 3. The Danish GSD Club is urged to revoke other titles given to Karats Ulko on the day

Why could this possibly be????? I guess that the Danish Kennel Club is doing this for no reason???? Oh...I know...they must have a hidden agenda:):):)