Who is UScA's real leader? Lyle or Johannes? - Page 7

Wow, I am really confused...I tried to read the posts and find out what the problem is but I guess I am not as bright as I once thought.
What exactly is the problem (besides not being able to belong to both organizations anymore)?

What is the thing about UScA that has people upset?
Does only one organization send members to the WUSV championship?
Is there a major difference in the views of UScA compared to WDA? And if so, what?

I thought that both organizations were for the GSD, and followed SV conformation standards?

Please....somebody school me!

Amanda

you all knew the vote issue before you joined....if you want to change it...you know the process. As for me, I like it the way it is....club vote. I don't think everyone is interested in voting....just like most aren't interested in the politics....I don't think most people even know the issues or care to....and if that ain't the case, we'll soon find out. I choose USA whether they have JA or not....

 I agree, Ron.   I, too, like the CLUB vote.  If the decisions begin to be made by a bunch of people who do not train, and have no interest in doing so, just how long , for example, will the annual trial requirement last?  Actually, it is every other year, now as it is.   How soon before there would be no trial requirement at all, a la WDA?  (Remember, the trial requirement only lasted a year or so there).   How many clubs would continue to have trials on a regular basis?   How much more difficult would it be for anyone to title a dog ,with trials even fewer and farther between?  Which clubs would "lock down" entries to club members only?   Which regions would see maybe 2-4 trials a year?

USA is an organization comprised of clubs.  

So in the mean time the small clubs can barely keep money in the bank from year to year all for the sake of a trial....People want to title their dogs they will title their dogs.


Keith Jenkins

maybe the small club can join with another club to have a trial...why do clubs need money in the bank?

Re; the Grewe interview, Part II: My tongue was firmly planted in my cheeque. The comment is aimed at Grewe's use of the word "democracy". Inasmuchas he ramrodded the loyalty oath, dictating which organizations are verboten, a bit hypocritical. The issue is many USCA members will not tolerate anyone in any dog club telling them which clubs they can join. The General Meeting ballots are distributed and include a measure to repeal Grewe's amendment and redirect the action to USCA's hierarchy, where it belongs. The controversy is about power. I'm tired of being preached to that the "other club" is ruining the breed, when members of both organizations breed or buy identical dogs. If both WDA and USCA disappear, who would notice? USCA lost the bubble when it changed from supporting member clubs to dictating to member clubs. For reference purposes, USCA was originally organized to operate in a rebublic model, not a democracy. The good thing about a democracy is that everyone gets a vote. The bad side of a democracy is that everyone gers a vote.

Please...Let's stop acting like JA was shoved down anyones throat....there was a vote on the issue...if it's repealed..fine but, the whole Johannes is taking over USA crap is so far from the truth....

I completely agree with Judron,

I,ve gotten tired of all the whining, One man (or woman) can,t pass anything it does take a majority and the JA did pass by a 2/3 rds vote. If you did,nt send a delegate then you have nobody to blame but your club. Don,t say the "Good ole boys club" because they make sure there is somebody there at the meetings to vote.

I do like several of the ideas that have come to lite. The web cast of the meeting and web voting I have no problem with in todays tech age it should not be a problem and it would save some clubs on travel expenses.

The JA doesn,t offend me because there are many organizations out there that tell you that you can,t belong to a competing organization so I can live with it or with out it.

The thing I most tire of is the "because we don,t have one member one vote rule it,s unfair...HELLO the United Schutzhund CLUBS of America any one who joined and did,nt know the clubs get one vote at the meeting was either blind or ignorant. If the one vote passes Okay if it doesn't Okay What I believe you will see that in the end your percentage of votes won,t vary much from what it does now. Voter apathy will always be there.

The rule about no elected officials can set on other governing boards for the organizations of dog sport organizations okay with or without still doesn't make me want to stomp my feet and cry.

 I guess what amazes me the most is the attitude that there "telling me what to do" you know I don,t care if the president of USA is Jesus Christ or Lucifer or Adolf Hitler... I will continue to train my dogs just as I have that won,t change and no political involvement will change that. If that is your concern you should not be training dogs.

  

"maybe the small club can join with another club to have a trial...why do clubs need money in the bank?"

You're kidding me right?  Let's see, equipment replacement, insurance,trial costs ...naw no reason to have any money in the bank.


Keith

My concern is my business.  My business is dog training.  My wife and i bought a 40 acre commercial kennel with the desire to make it a full service training property.  The wife does agility and I have done FR and continue to do SchH.  I have friends and clients that are members and supporters of both organizations.  Who are you or anyone else to tell me who I can train and trial with?  At one time, I wanted to form 2 clubs here, one for training on Saturdays and one for Sundays.  One for my USCA friends and one for my WDA friends.  SEE THE PROBLEM???  I have supported USCA since the 90's both financially through membership and through trialing.  When I am told that I cannot even speak at a National meeting and that I am to sit and basically fold my hands, that's where I say, you can kiss my ass.  I "had" been a member longer that a lot of people in that room and have been involved in training and have trained more SchH and FR and PPD and Police K9's than anyone in that room.  I witnessed the treatment of long standing members and supporters of USCA by the "president" and board members of the current administration.  I sat and waited with numerous others for the "president" to return from his 2 hour lunch when we were told there would be a 1 hour lunch break.  I sat and watched as the "president" rudely interrupted a long standing member who has contributed way more to the dog world and SchH competition than this president EVER has or will.  I don't wish to argue with people who were not at that meeting and don't know first hand what went on.  You love the organization?????  You pay for their hobby.  Your facts as stated are somewhat uninformed as are you.  Board members of USCA currently sit in control of the AWDF, in fact the treasurer is the same person for both organizations.  Three of the four listed board members of the AWDF currently sit on the board of USCA including the President of USCA who is the Vice President of the AWDF.  One more question, how is it possible that the daughter of the VP of an organization wins the monetary scholarship award offered by that organization?  Isn't that a conflict of some kind of interest?  Shouldn't the relatives of board members be ineligible?

In closing, since USCA has deemed themselves "For the German Shepherd Dog" why don't we just move conversations that are "ONLY" for the German Shepherd Dog to the German Shepherd Dog Forum?  BTW, just a thought, the Dec '87-Jan '88 issue of SchH USA magazine had a Malinois on the cover and it wasn't even sharing the podium!!!!  So somewhere along the line SchH in this country was recognized by some administration in some capacity as being open to other ideas.  Kinda like the foundation of our country,,,,,,,,,,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmmm.