AKC VS UKC - Page 2

DesertRanger, In your post you also addressed that a trainer will not register with AKC. That is what Mike was responding to. You also asked for thoughts on this movement. It seems pretty obvious that his thought on this movement was it is a wasted movement. It is not going to change anything. Just because you do not like what he responded with does not mean he needs to start his own post. He answered exactly what you asked for. Shawn

Here on the west coast, many of us are dual registering our dogs with AKC and UKC. Just a note that if you import a white shepherd from Germany now, they are no longer listed as a "German Shepherd Dog", but instead as a Berger Blanc Suisse, which is not recognized by the AKC. That means that the white shepherds imported from Germany now can ONLY be registered with UKC. Crazy huh?!

Thank you Knighten.. That is interesting. The people here are also dual registering. I had not seen any of the UKC in this area until about six or seven years ago but now it is common to hear news of the UKC events etc.. I know the UKC is popular with alot of the hunting dog people. As for your other idiots Knighten is the first one intelligent enough to understand the post. Vargus you seem to be the biggest idiot here.geeezzz

DesertRangers, There is no need for you to single me out because you cant even figure out what you are trying to ask. You said yourself in one of your own posts that you maybe were not being clear enough in your post. If you do not want to hear what people have to say then dont ask the question. How are we supposed to know what you mean when by your own words you did not word it properly. If we misunderstood you then fine! But dont get shitty with me because of that.

Kevin Holland Why do you need to call somebody who is very active in helper work (Note: he’s certified by GSDCA-WDA) and training an idiot? He’s done a wonderful job with Dack Am Brenkelberg SchIII IPO III (owned by Thomas Sauerhoefer)so far. as far as AKC -American kennel crap VS UKC- Ultimate kennel crap goes... who cares? both org's SUCK! If only SV would allow other countries to register puppies under their program whom parents are SV registered. SV at least would not rip you off in pedigree's... Unlike AKC who doesn't put in any effort into adding titles and other information inside the parents, ancesters boxes.

desertrangers -- you have a very consrtuctive observation -- there a quite a number of people that i am associated with in other canine sports, mostly ring sports, that could care less whether their dogs are AKC registered -- although their breeding dogs do have registires form other countries -- for some sports all the dog has to do is be regitrable in another recognized country and that is it -- tattoo are usually required too -- and some friends could also care less if all their dogs get a Sch title etc etc-- all they want to accomplish is that the dog sport [ ring ] title many of which titles make Sch titles look like child play -- besides how many paper titles do you see on GSD regarding Sch -- there are no p[aper titles in the other sports -- check them out and see -- good point you made

Some of the local Amish puppy millers are no longer using AKC to register their litters, they are using UKC and other splinter registries. Registering with AKC puts them in the loop where they are required to keep paperwork trails and commit to a certain level of sanitation in their kennels. Some do not want to be responsible to AKC, so sell their puppies with other registrations. If the local humane societies don't catch up with them then they are free to not conform to good sanitation or record keeping. This is a very big problem with the Amish puppy millers, sanitation and record keeping is not big on their to do lists. UKC is probably the best of the splinter groups. They have a list of approved breeds, standards for those breeds and sponsor various performance and conformation events. Pro handlers are not allowed to compete unless they handle dogs they also own. Frankly, to me, the downside of the UKC is that almost any dog of an approved breed that can walk around the ring will eventully earn a title. A dog does not have to be an outstanding representative of its breed to be a champion and to rack up some big wins. This give breeders with inferior dogs the opportunity to advertise them as UKC champions, BIS winners, that sort of stuff. That gives them credibility with buyers. Another thought about UKC and other splinter registries is since breeders started to use these registrations, it is almost impossible to know how many dogs of each breed are actually being bred. The organizations are not anxious to release their records and even if they did it is not possible to know which dogs are registered only with their group and which are dual registered so will also appear in the AKC stud book. There are probably a lot more GSD's being bred every year that we think there are. If you want more info on the UKC, you can do a google search.

Thank you ALPHAPUP. This was meant to be a learning post on the activity levels of the UKC in different areas but most of the people here seem to be either stupid or have an agenda. I have nothing against AKC or UKC and have nothing bad to say against either one. I am sure both of them have breeders that abuse the rules but you always have people who allow the almight dollar to influence them instead of the betterment of the breed and the individual dogs.That's why I have only had two litters over the last twenty years. So many people breeding already it' easy with some work to find excellent GSD's. I would appreciate people not insulting me when I am being attacked by people who can't respond to a simple post and stay on subject. Seems like they think I am a dummy and they need to explain everything else but they never actually discussed one simple thing! HAVE YOU SEEN INCREASED UKC ACTIVITY IN YOUR AREA OVER THE LAST FEW YEAR? IF SO ANY IDEALS WHY?

Actually I know quite a bit about UKC and have a friend who competes at a National Level in UKC but has also had dogs compete in AKC and done very well. I am really curious if the UKC is growing in other area's like they have here. Most people who buy dogs never compete and in this area they are becoming just as accepting of UKC papers as they are of AKC and I am speaking now of all breeds. The local people here have been able to gain good respectability on UKC papers as the working line people have very impressive GSD's.

desertramgers -- i have no problem with the AKC/Ukc either -- all my dogs are AKC registered unlike some of my firends ... but as an add-on -- just let someone try to abuse the privledges of having a dog registered in germany, belgium , and france !! to my knowledge .. you would be all done --- i have known of instances with numerable complaints about breeders here in the USA - BTW other people that post on this site also know -- and figuratively they mare more active breeding than all of us together !!my interest is piqued by the answer to your question -- i too will learn something from all the responses to it ---