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by Ron Hudson on 07 December 2010 - 16:12
All this energy spent for nothing. The back biting and name calling still persists. It's always the same people--over and over again-ad nauseam.
by faq2 on 07 December 2010 - 17:12
No health checks, no registration, no proven workabilty, NO WAY!!!!!
SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!
@ron where is the name calling???
SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!
@ron where is the name calling???
by frankm205 on 07 December 2010 - 17:12
Geez I have a puppy from Hans coming in the next few days. I'm new to this board so will someone fill me in before I send the rest of the money??
by Prager on 07 December 2010 - 17:12
It is simple: I have explained it here before. I am not going to get here in another pissing contest. I will make this one statement since this thread popped out out again and I want to make clear my side of the story.
The breeding was an accident. I have not realized that the female is in heat since it was her first heat and it was mildly expressed heat. I messed up. My fault. Period.
I had a choice to put the pups down or keep them.
I had feeling that this may be actually genetically really good since all the dogs on the ped are very good there and I knew them to be good and good producers . Also I consulted it with my partner Jiri in Jinopo breed warden in Czech rep who said that they probably will be much better dogs then anything 90% of dogs people do when they outcross. He concurred with me to keep the pups.
I kept them.
Yes I am keeping 2 males pups from it and am entering them in PSA training and or police training.
They are truly exceptional as predicted by me and Jiri .
I have sold 2 females for 1/2 price to mitigate any potential risk if any without papers to customers who could not afford full price. I have said that if the litter turns good I will give papers to the buyers. AKC alows this type of breeding. Originally I was going to keep all 4 pups but since these people did not have the money and did not want to breed these pups and the pups were really super I decided to sell them.
Before the sale
I have explained everything to the buyers by saying that 1/2 price is here because the pups are result of close linebreeding on some important dogs and inbreeding on other. I have used words inbreeding and linebreeding, provided names of the parents and posted them on PDB.
One buyer understood what inbreeding is and one did not or did not hear me properly. That led later on to some conflict. When I realized that I offered money back even so I did not feel that I have done anything wrong. However the buyer said that she loves the pup and wants to keep it. She said that the pup is everything what she ever imagined it to be. When she later expressed disappointment and worry that the pup is inbred I explained to her that:
1. Inbreeding and linebreeding is normal and very common in nature.
2. It strengthens good and bad genes and I do not think that there are any bad genes to consider.
3. It is often used in serious breeding programs and in creations of pure breeds.
4. The repeated "normal " linebreeding can make the dogs to be closely related as much as in inbreeding and nobody raises an eyebrow about it.
5. this breeding will not cause them to play banjo or be stupid.
Thus
Now both customers are totally happy with their pups.
If you want to know more; call me, PM me or e mail me. I have nothing to hide and I will answer any and all questions through those venues.
As for here I am done.
Prager Hans
P.S. FYI: Prager is my handle here since I am originally from Prag. I am called Hans by friends and people who have hard time to pronounce my first name Zdenek. Hans is germanization of my middle name Jan-> Honza->Hans
Prager Hans
Take care.
Http://www.alpinek9.com
The breeding was an accident. I have not realized that the female is in heat since it was her first heat and it was mildly expressed heat. I messed up. My fault. Period.
I had a choice to put the pups down or keep them.
I had feeling that this may be actually genetically really good since all the dogs on the ped are very good there and I knew them to be good and good producers . Also I consulted it with my partner Jiri in Jinopo breed warden in Czech rep who said that they probably will be much better dogs then anything 90% of dogs people do when they outcross. He concurred with me to keep the pups.
I kept them.
Yes I am keeping 2 males pups from it and am entering them in PSA training and or police training.
They are truly exceptional as predicted by me and Jiri .
I have sold 2 females for 1/2 price to mitigate any potential risk if any without papers to customers who could not afford full price. I have said that if the litter turns good I will give papers to the buyers. AKC alows this type of breeding. Originally I was going to keep all 4 pups but since these people did not have the money and did not want to breed these pups and the pups were really super I decided to sell them.
Before the sale
I have explained everything to the buyers by saying that 1/2 price is here because the pups are result of close linebreeding on some important dogs and inbreeding on other. I have used words inbreeding and linebreeding, provided names of the parents and posted them on PDB.
One buyer understood what inbreeding is and one did not or did not hear me properly. That led later on to some conflict. When I realized that I offered money back even so I did not feel that I have done anything wrong. However the buyer said that she loves the pup and wants to keep it. She said that the pup is everything what she ever imagined it to be. When she later expressed disappointment and worry that the pup is inbred I explained to her that:
1. Inbreeding and linebreeding is normal and very common in nature.
2. It strengthens good and bad genes and I do not think that there are any bad genes to consider.
3. It is often used in serious breeding programs and in creations of pure breeds.
4. The repeated "normal " linebreeding can make the dogs to be closely related as much as in inbreeding and nobody raises an eyebrow about it.
5. this breeding will not cause them to play banjo or be stupid.
Thus
Now both customers are totally happy with their pups.
If you want to know more; call me, PM me or e mail me. I have nothing to hide and I will answer any and all questions through those venues.
As for here I am done.
Prager Hans
P.S. FYI: Prager is my handle here since I am originally from Prag. I am called Hans by friends and people who have hard time to pronounce my first name Zdenek. Hans is germanization of my middle name Jan-> Honza->Hans
Prager Hans
Take care.
Http://www.alpinek9.com
by Sunsilver on 07 December 2010 - 17:12
5. this breeding w ill not cause them to play banjo or be stupid.
ROTFLMAO! Good one, Hans!
Thanks for the laugh, and the explanation!
Every breeder who's in the game for long enough eventually winds up with an 'oops' litter. I see nothing wrong with how you handled this.
ROTFLMAO! Good one, Hans!
Thanks for the laugh, and the explanation!
Every breeder who's in the game for long enough eventually winds up with an 'oops' litter. I see nothing wrong with how you handled this.
by frankm205 on 07 December 2010 - 17:12
No banjo playing!!! Haaa get me my pup friend I see no problem here.
by Ruger1 on 07 December 2010 - 17:12
Moderator,,,Please put a cap on this thread before it becomes necessary to delete it again...The purpose of the thread was accomplished with Hans posts......JMO....
Deanna...: )
by LadyFrost on 07 December 2010 - 17:12
by faq2 on 07 December 2010 - 17:12
zmoderator edit: POST DELETED (no personal attacks)
by PowerHaus on 07 December 2010 - 17:12
$800 is WAY too much to pay for a puppy who may not be able to be registered, might have health issues due to inbreeding and the parents are just puppies themself, parents are not mature enough to even judge many things such as work ability, adult temperament, and genetic hip health at the least!
Heck! She just wanted a pet! She could have opened the newspaper and gotten a puppy with a larger gene pool for $200 or even a rescue!
Dazzle them with diamonds or baffle them with BS! Fast talking salesman is what you have here, folks!
Bottom line is $800 is too much to pay for this puppy! It's all about the $$$$$$$$$!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
Heck! She just wanted a pet! She could have opened the newspaper and gotten a puppy with a larger gene pool for $200 or even a rescue!
Dazzle them with diamonds or baffle them with BS! Fast talking salesman is what you have here, folks!
Bottom line is $800 is too much to pay for this puppy! It's all about the $$$$$$$$$!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
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