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by Vixen on 08 January 2011 - 23:01
Read some of the replies with interest. It seems that some Members are getting frustrated with each other, by comparing their own personal prowess as a dog owner/trainer and their resulting relationship.
A relationship between every Owner and dog is personal between them. What is acceptable behaviour and attitude of a dog varies between Owners too.
One or two of my colleagues with whom I generally share the same outlook and respect as Owners and Trainers, have a couple of views and requirements of their dogs that I personally do not agree with. But that is them - and I am me.
(You may have the same outlook with another family in the upbringing of children, but you can be sure there will be aspects that will surprise you, that you do not agree with).
I have met some people (not in a specific dog related situation) and observed their own dog behaving with a high disregard and disrespect of their Owner. However, the Owner is untroubled by this, oblivious to this, unbothered by this, quite accepting and content with the situation. It is therefore not for me to interfere with their relationship, expectations or lifestyle. However, if someone were to contact me professionally, or even in a general conversation, raise a problem relating to their dog's behaviour that upsets or bothers them, enough that they feel a need to ask or seek help, then I am going to address whatever needs addressing to help resolve the problem.
How many of us have met or heard someone say that when their dog has a bone for instance, you cannot go near or remove it. The Owner often accepts this as 'natural', and does not feel inadequate in any way. Neither would I give them any reason to feel so either! Although personally I would find that completely unacceptable, and could not imagine such a situation.
To sum up, we all have our own standards, there is no 'Peter Perfect'. Two almost identical Owners/Trainers with similar dogs, and the same views of training and behaviour, will still discover differences that they personally would not be in agreement with........!
Regards,
Vixen
A relationship between every Owner and dog is personal between them. What is acceptable behaviour and attitude of a dog varies between Owners too.
One or two of my colleagues with whom I generally share the same outlook and respect as Owners and Trainers, have a couple of views and requirements of their dogs that I personally do not agree with. But that is them - and I am me.
(You may have the same outlook with another family in the upbringing of children, but you can be sure there will be aspects that will surprise you, that you do not agree with).
I have met some people (not in a specific dog related situation) and observed their own dog behaving with a high disregard and disrespect of their Owner. However, the Owner is untroubled by this, oblivious to this, unbothered by this, quite accepting and content with the situation. It is therefore not for me to interfere with their relationship, expectations or lifestyle. However, if someone were to contact me professionally, or even in a general conversation, raise a problem relating to their dog's behaviour that upsets or bothers them, enough that they feel a need to ask or seek help, then I am going to address whatever needs addressing to help resolve the problem.
How many of us have met or heard someone say that when their dog has a bone for instance, you cannot go near or remove it. The Owner often accepts this as 'natural', and does not feel inadequate in any way. Neither would I give them any reason to feel so either! Although personally I would find that completely unacceptable, and could not imagine such a situation.
To sum up, we all have our own standards, there is no 'Peter Perfect'. Two almost identical Owners/Trainers with similar dogs, and the same views of training and behaviour, will still discover differences that they personally would not be in agreement with........!
Regards,
Vixen
by Felloffher on 08 January 2011 - 23:01
Jenn,
Have a nice day.
Have a nice day.
by Jenni78 on 08 January 2011 - 23:01
For once I agree w/PL, well maybe twice, lol.
It did get a bit personal due to some sharpness.
I don't mind the criticism, especially considering the motive and source, but as I said, I highly doubt the board gives a damn about this stuff.
I won't post again.
It did get a bit personal due to some sharpness.
I don't mind the criticism, especially considering the motive and source, but as I said, I highly doubt the board gives a damn about this stuff. I won't post again.
by Keith Grossman on 08 January 2011 - 23:01
Now everyone go brush your dog...if you can! 
by Ruger1 on 08 January 2011 - 23:01
Thanks Jenn.....
Keith... Now that's something I can do....
.YHaaaa Hoooo.....
by beetree on 08 January 2011 - 23:01
Keith, okay I confess, I can brush my dog with no fuss, except for his pantaloons! He just doesn't like it, or his tail for that matter. I do make him accept it, but if you ask him, he hates it and feels it is unnecessary. 
If I don't have a lead on him, I can get a few swipes then he'll run like the dickens! The funny thing is, he always ends up coming back for more. Doing it that way just takes a bit more time, but our bond is intact!
If I don't have a lead on him, I can get a few swipes then he'll run like the dickens! The funny thing is, he always ends up coming back for more. Doing it that way just takes a bit more time, but our bond is intact! by Keith Grossman on 09 January 2011 - 00:01
I never said Axel likes it. 
by MaggieMae on 09 January 2011 - 00:01
Vixen -- good post !
by JRANSOM on 09 January 2011 - 00:01
My bitch does'nt like being brushed at all! However, she needs it and has to have it doneI get her on leassh and then just keep her from turning.
by SportySchGuy on 09 January 2011 - 01:01
Hmmmm......not sure how the length of time I have been training in Schutzhund has anything to do with grooming (I think someone already said that but oh well).
Seriously, (I think I can be serious for a sec...well Im gonna try) If your dog attempts to bite you when you simply want to brush it then that is a real problem ESPECIALLY if you depend on that dog for your life or your living. Lets assume that the brush isnt hurting the dog somehow. Now I suppose one could argue that the dog could have been hurt by the brush somehow at sometime previously and is trying to prevent you from hurting it again. This should be fairly easy to tell if someone has even some previous experience with dogs. Ok, now lets assume that the dog is just "quirky" (whatever that means) or maybe dominant. That behavior will cause other problems and those problems will surface at the very worst times. Now before you say that I am wrong and that there are no other problems I say they are there but you have not seen them and maybe you never will. If you are fine with that then OK. Personally, I would never allow that behavior to go on unaddressed in a dog that someone's life depends on. I understand if it is a sport dog then no problem it doesnt matter and you are fine with it then great....adios, see ya.
Seriously, (I think I can be serious for a sec...well Im gonna try) If your dog attempts to bite you when you simply want to brush it then that is a real problem ESPECIALLY if you depend on that dog for your life or your living. Lets assume that the brush isnt hurting the dog somehow. Now I suppose one could argue that the dog could have been hurt by the brush somehow at sometime previously and is trying to prevent you from hurting it again. This should be fairly easy to tell if someone has even some previous experience with dogs. Ok, now lets assume that the dog is just "quirky" (whatever that means) or maybe dominant. That behavior will cause other problems and those problems will surface at the very worst times. Now before you say that I am wrong and that there are no other problems I say they are there but you have not seen them and maybe you never will. If you are fine with that then OK. Personally, I would never allow that behavior to go on unaddressed in a dog that someone's life depends on. I understand if it is a sport dog then no problem it doesnt matter and you are fine with it then great....adios, see ya.
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