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alkster2002

by alkster2002 on 21 March 2011 - 12:03

First off ROUTINE kills DRIVE. Don't get locked into being routine oriented even 2x a week. For instance in obedience I work on the individual exercises by breaking each exercise into several parts to work on (example)    Down in motion .......  setup .............. paces moving away from the dog ........ recall .. the speed to me...... having-making the dog come in sitting STRAIGHT .......... then the finish .................. also with this exercise making sure the dog does not anticipate the recall. One must examine each exercise with several exercises within that single exercise.
Protection work is done with the same thought ............... I put the routine together once a couple weeks before the trial ............. with a new dog ..................... believe me dogs remember ................... for instance in protection work ...... the call out of the blind ................ I never call the dog out from the hold and bark ...... dog is rewardeda single example..... with the bite after an aggressive hold and bark and work carrying out of the blind and either "outed or slipped" 2 meters from the blind ..... helper goes back into the blind and at this time I make the "Heir, Fuss" and this way the dog must come by the helper to fuss to me ......  Just a few thoughts ................. Regards ............  Greg 

Ruger1

by Ruger1 on 22 March 2011 - 03:03


      What does B and C stand for..???...Also, does anyone have a video they could post of the routine you are talking about ?.....Thanks.....: )



                     Deanna...: )

Don Corleone

by Don Corleone on 22 March 2011 - 04:03

Deanna, SchH is a 3 phase sport. A is tracking, B is obedience and C is protection. If you want to watch the routines go on Youtube and put WUSV in the search field. You'll get more than enough videos of the routines.

Ruger1

by Ruger1 on 22 March 2011 - 04:03


 Don...

     Now I understand....Thanks..: )

poseidon

by poseidon on 22 March 2011 - 12:03

Thanks Alkster2002.  Some good points raised.

Also......
for instance in protection work ...... the call out of the blind ................ I never call the dog out from the hold and bark ...... dog is rewardeda single example..... with the bite after an aggressive hold and bark and work carrying out of the blind and either "outed or slipped" 2 meters from the blind ..... helper goes back into the blind and at this time I make the "Heir, Fuss" and this way the dog must come by the helper to fuss to me ...... Just a few thoughts ................. Regards ............ Greg
Interesting concept Greg.

I can only guess from the highlighted comments that you do not want “negativity/ submission” associated in the blind for protection work with your dog. ?
I would love to hear more of your thoughts on that.


alkster2002

by alkster2002 on 22 March 2011 - 15:03

If you have a dog that is especially weak in the hold and bark this method will benefit because if you consistantly call the dog out the FIRST thing is when you walk around the blind the dog is THINKING hier .... fuss and what does that do to the dogs hold and bark ...... puts him into the thought process of I NEED TO GET BACK TO MY HANDLER so I can make the bite on the escape.  Regards ............ Greg

    I also sent a PM 2u !

poseidon

by poseidon on 22 March 2011 - 18:03

Makes a lot of sense.  Thank you for sharing your experience.
PM replied.

MAINLYMAX

by MAINLYMAX on 22 March 2011 - 22:03

I train Ring dogs, the C phase is
much more of a task than in SchH.
So I work parts of it everyday if I am competing.
Obedience not as much but still almost every
day. But not for as long a period.

To give an example of Ring defence....

A ring dog can be demoted from ring 3 to ring 2..
if he fails to maintain at the level of ring 3.


Fleeing Attack: the dog is told to attack a decoy who is running away, with out/recall after the bite/fight
Defense of Handler: handler, dog and decoy approach each other and have a short conversation, then continue walking. the decoy turns around and comes up behind the handler, and as soon as the decoy "attacks" (obvious "hit" on handler) the handler, the dog bites the decoy. After the dog is told to out, he guards the decoy until recalled. the dog must stay with the handler until the attack, most dogs are taught to heel facing backwards for this exercise
Attack with Gun: the dog attacks a decoy who is firing a gun, twice during the attack, and once after the bite. After the bite/fight, the decoy freezes, the dog lets go and guards the decoy. The decoy tries to escape twice, the dog bites each time, then the handler disarms the decoy and heels the dog away.
Search, Hold, and Bark with Escort: The dog finds the decoy who is hidden in one of six blinds, and barks to indicate the decoy has been found. The decoy attempts to escape, while firing a gun, and the dog stops the decoy by biting. The decoy attempts another escape and fires the gun, dog stops decoy by biting. Handler outs dog, then disarms the decoy and retreats at least 3m. The dog escorts the decoy to a designated spot, preventing two more escape attempts by biting. The dog has no set pattern to run the blinds in as long as he finds the decoy in the allotted time.
Stopped Attack: This is done exactly like the face attack, with the decoy acting menacing and the dog being told to attack. When the dog is 1 to 4m away, the handler calls the dog who returns to the handler without biting the decoy. Points are based on the distance from the decoy when the dog is recalled, with 0 points if the dog bites. the handler must behave in every way exactly the same up until the recall command for the call off and face attack (EX sneeze during one, you better for the other)
Guard of Object: the dog is told to guard an object, and the handler goes to a place out of sight. The handler does not participate in any way again, until it is time to retrieve his dog. The decoy tries three times to steal the object, and the dog stops the decoy each time by biting. as soon as the dog bites, the decoy must freeze for 5 seconds, however if the dog lets go then re-bites, the decoy can begin to move. As soon as the decoy begins to move away from the object, the dog lets go to remain close to the object he is guarding. Points are lost for biting to soon, allowing the decoy to move or completely steal the object, being dragged away from the object, etc.

When Utie was young,I walked her backwards around the barn twice. She can heel backwards no problem.

MAINLYMAX

by MAINLYMAX on 22 March 2011 - 23:03

This was the first big champion of Ringsports dog from the 60's.

Kiener (LOSH 197867).... Utie looks just like him.



sueincc

by sueincc on 25 March 2011 - 21:03

Regarding "B" I don't practice the pattern with the dog hardly ever, but I do practice it by myself sometimes.  The only thing that I do always like a trial is when I do obedience I always report in to the judge, like in a trial, and when I practice the send out, I do that last. 

Regarding "C" I don't practice the pattern either.

 






 


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