When should I teach the Stand? - Page 2

I am with Kadi--I teach the stand from the time they are puppies.  With my first sch dog, I "tacked" it on, like so many do, after everything else.  I realized then that there was no reason to do that.  The next dogs were taught the concept along with sit and down.   I

Ditto .. i always teach POSITION .. ... first .. i teach exactly what i desire the 1st time and exactly so !! always ' set the dog up' to something correct the first time ... So .. IMO  i teach position Stand first- and when I state stand the lesson is [ dog: stand wioth legs right under the body , directly to the floor , and evenly space .. and once you stand the position is held .. " -- not  a stand and move but a stan !! and stand .. and stand ... and stand >>> why because stand means stand and stand dtill and hold , until !! there is no such word as "STAY" !! .. .. once learned then as the dog stand i can teach a perfect SPHYNX down position [ again dwon is down !!, HOLD" .. ... from the down then i can personally from a sphynx down communicate that i desrire another position .. from a sphynx position i can teach the dog to move upwards to a sit ... [ again sit means sit and only sit , unless i release or give permission to go to another position [ IE static exercise taught and a change of positionswhen told to .. ] .. NOW [ apologies for poor relating] in this teaching the dog , it never , never has learned to even lean forward , let alone move forward. from the stand to down - it's a  downward, backward motion  .. / .. from a down to sit- it's  an upward and backwards motion !! never never forward .. same principle is transferred to the exercises in motion .. walk "PLATZ" it's a down bak which is how the platz/down was first taught , that by defintion will stop the dog from the tendency to take another step forward  into continued heeling .. JUST MY OPINION if you compete ..

Once the dog has learnt the stand position,  how easy does one teach the fast running STAND in motion?  Is it by leash correction?
Is this the same technique used for DOWN in motion exercises too?

Thanks.

Yes Vixen my dog already know those statc exercises.  I need some advice to advance the stand and down in motion.  I am tempted to use the leash like giving it a tug as the command is given and carry on walking.  But would like to know if that is what most of you seasoned handlers in schutzhund 2 & 3 do as regards to this motion exercise.

Hi Poseidon,

Because our training is different, from what is required of dogs too, I will leave the suggested advice for the Schutzhund Positions On Move to those who do them. 

By the way do you not have a professional Trainer in this Sport to help and guide you?

It may (or may not, LOL) interest you to know that with the Stand position On Move, I actually use the term "Wait".  This is also taught generally, i.e. "Wait" meaning to stop moving and remain standing.  This also gives me a choice of commands to use that will stop the dog while out together off leash.

Hope someone responds soon.  All the best with your dog.


Regards,
Vixen

malndobe, you read my mind, that's the first thing I was going to post:

 "At the same time as sit and down.


    If you wait till later when they are bigger you are going to end up hauling their dead

 weight off the floor
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If I can step on the OP's toes... *How* do you teach the stand, and does the method effect what age is easiest to teach it at? I waited to teach the stand, and was using the hand along the belly method with... less than satisfactory results. I switched to walking into the dog when she was in a sit or a down, until she popped her butt up in preparation to back out of my way. Viola! Learned the stationary stand in a day. Translating it to an in-motion stand hasn't happened yet, so perhaps I will soon learn the folly of my ways... But I think the luring and helping with the hand method is easier with puppies, and the capturing and marking, easier with adults.

It is the motion exercise (stand and down) which I would like to know how others have taught their dogs ie where the handler is running, gives the command and the dog freezes in that position.

I managed the "sit in motion" (I guess because of the walking pace and without any leash work) quite nicely but it is the running for the other two commands.  Maybe I'll try the leash tug and see if it works.

Vixen, I do not have any clubs to go to so I train by myself.

Sit and down still mean sit and down, right? I started slow, paused on a step to give the command, and stepped back off. If the command wasnt obeyed, then i helped her get to the right position. Then I increased the speed. The sit came pretty easy after we mastered the down, since the "Oh, you mean I have to do that stuff HERE too?" lightbulb had already gone off in the dog's head. I don't forsee an issue teaching the stand out of motion, but I'll be sure to post if I have issues.