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by Duderino on 29 March 2011 - 22:03

When and where do you feel it is appropriate to apply the "Schutzhund Soccer Style Kick"?  I found a book on the shelf at a bookstore right next to "Clicker Training for Dummies" but it's written in Pig Latin and I can't make heads or curly tails out of it.


jc.carroll

by jc.carroll on 31 March 2011 - 01:03

It has been said: the talent of a trainer by how little force they must use to produce the desired behavior in an animal.
 
I do not believe it is necessary to kick, stomp on, punch, or otherwise beat on a dog and call it "training." If that's the only way someone feels they can get desired results, they shouldn't be working with animals, IMO.




I have soccer kicked ONE dog ONCE. He was a very hard and aggressive male that I would up with -- he was basically given to me as a joke after going after one to many handlers, trainers, and owners; "you like a hard dog? Here ya go!" -- and no one expected that he and I would actually bond. Granted, it took me three days before he'd even let me in his kennel to feed him, but when he didn't hit the fence trying to get at me I'd toss kibbled in, and he soon learned that if he behaved, good things came about.

He was a dog that was used to rough handling because of his attitude. I elected to work with him by rewarding behavior, rather than against him with brute force. The end results was a dog that I could do anything with, that trusted me, that I had an awesome working relationship with. It took a lot of time, but it was worth it.

At one point, when I'd built up a rapport where he listened to me, he decided to play "deaf" and utterly refused to fuss. So, I gave him a boot. He went "ooof," and looked up at me with surprise. It was the first real correction I'd ever given him. He had a look on his face that said damn, I didn't know you had that in you! and from then on, he never gave me any trouble with fussing.

On the flip side, if I'd tried that when I first got him, I probably would've wound up with stitches, like so many others before me had. Sure it might take longer to bond with a dog than it does to coerce one into submission, but in my opinion it's more fun (and more effective) to work with my dogs, rather than against them.




As for that male, he was my heart dog. I loved him, we made an awesome team. I could not have asked for a better dog. He passed away far too soon at a mere 7.5yrs. I still miss him. He never gave me any progeny. He was a once-in-a-lifetime dog.

Lexa

by Lexa on 31 March 2011 - 11:03

Pardon my ignorance but what's a "schutzhund soccer style kick" ? From the next post, I'm picturing it's literally, a very very hard kick to a dog??

poseidon

by poseidon on 31 March 2011 - 12:03


Eric Cantona infamous Kung-Fu kick



jc.carroll

by jc.carroll on 31 March 2011 - 13:03

It -can!- be a hard way to kick a dog, but that doesn't mean is -should!- be.

Anything from a prod with the foot to something potentially bone-breaking tends to get lumped into the category of "soccer kick." The difference is HUGE! Like the difference between administering a quick pop on a choke collar, versus hanging the dog with his front feet off the ground.

This topic was brought up a while back, and Yoshy made an excellent point on Page2:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum/56365.html?mnr=56365&pagen=2






edit:
I used to play soccer. Fullback position. If I kicked my dog like I kicked a ball, I would've seriously hurt him.

I wasn't out to hurt him. I did want to get his attention and make it clear that what I said went, and I was not about to take on the role as beta in our dynamic. It got his attention, nothing more, nothing less. We went right back to training after that.

A properly administered correction stops the negative behavior quickly and effectively, but does not cause lasting trauma (emotional or physical) to the dog.






 


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