Vet said feeding raw is the worst thing ever for dog - Page 13

"Yep
The tone of your posts have changed you are are in a bit of a temper,"

temper?  i was laughing, lol.  i know reading words on a screen is difficult for some, and maybe that's why you and molly are so defensive?  i'm not sure why both of you say you have nothing against raw feeding, but you still want to make sure on ever post when someone is switching, or trying, or improving, or proud, that you get your few words in about how your dogs are all perfect and dog chow this, and kibbles and shits that.  you two should start a thread together.  i think it would be wonderful.

molly, no one is spouting assinine asinine claims (which only has one 's' by the way), nor did anyone say raw was a miracle cure to anything.  but feeding raw does in fact alleviate or eliminate some medical problems, and it does reduce vet bills.  people have posted examples of first hand experiences with their own dogs, and you still choose to call it bullshit. 

you have no idea how many dogs (and cats) i have switched to raw, and i haven't even been raw feeding as long as some of the people on this board.  you have no idea of the benefits that their owners saw with their own eyes, and you have no concept of what it feels like to have tried absolutely everything to help your own pet, and not be able to get anywhere until you do something as simple as switch their food. 

one of the people i switched over to raw is a vet who is stem cell and usda certified and has worked with livestock and zoos.  who now recommends raw feeding to his clients because he doesn't mind less frequent visits as his clients get healthier and he can treat real medical issues should they arise.

oh, molly, in all your posts you keep regurgitating that healthy dogs will do fine no matter what the diet.  so what would you do about dogs that are not healthy?  fix 'em up with lots of pills and shots and drain their owners wallets?

  Strut vom Eichenluft SchH2 at 28 mo on half kibble and half raw.  Molly produces many sound puppies from her breedings.    Strut will get her 3 next mo while still 2 yrs old.  I am posting this because when you start with a healthy puppy as long as you feed balanced and high quality food, raw or kibble, the results should be good.  Barb

Photo by Donna Haynes

I am a raw feeder. Yep, sure am and not afraid to put that out there ;)

I have a GSD with EPI and she is what started it for me. She just did not do well on kibble, not of any variety, and believe me, I tried many. Until she was 4, I didn't know what caused her problems...just thought she had a funky digestive system/sensitive stomach/whatever. After the EPI was confirmed, we did briefly try kibble with pancreatic enzymes and while she did okay (very hard to regulate), she was not doing great. So I researched and researched and researched and took the leap into feeding a raw diet. Ah, gave it a few months and she was indeed doing great...with NO enzymes. She is doing wonderfully at 9 years old :) I have since raised 2 more GSDs. One started raw at a year old, the other at 14 weeks. The one that started at a year old is incredibly healthy now at age 5 (almost). The other is now 10 months old and doing equally as well (and raw did clear up his mushy stools when he was younger). 

Personally, I feel my dogs do much better on raw than on kibble. That may or may not be true for others.

But I guess the bottom line in this bickering is that one is better than the other...

I say figure out what works best for your dog and stick with it. High quality kibble or correctly fed raw...whatever!

IF I had a dog with health problems and IF I was convinced a raw diet would solve those problems, then absolutely I would do my research and switch that dog to a raw diet.  So far, I haven't owned a dog that required any sort of nutritional "help" or assistance in any way.  My dogs are 100% healthy and gorgeous in their healthy skin and coats, with no vet bills past the occasional injury or mysterious lameness.    So, no need for me to change anything.

And, there is the fact that I see dogs every day walking into my boarding kennel with gorgeous coat and bright eyes, some very elderly - and usually their owner brings their food with them - and usually that food is "crap".  So I don't personally see many dogs in need of drastic diet changes to solve health problems.  And most of the claims raw-feeders make about how much healthier their dogs are on raw are "bullshit" absolutely, plain and simple.

molly

and an entire generation of people lived thinking coffee and cigarettes were breakfast, and if they wanted to be more healthy they had coffee cake.  some lived to 90  or more healthy as can be, others didn't.  There is no doubt they could have been more healthy had they ate better.

as a general rule regarding nutrition, the closer to natural a food, the better it is for you.  the more processed it is, the more the nutritional values are destroyed and have to be added back in later.  usually with man made rather than naturally occuring vitamins and such, which are are usually lower on the bioavailability scale than naturally occuring ones.

I find it funny that changes seen with my own eyes, and those of my vet and everyone else around that knew my 1st dog are called "bullshit" by some who have no idea. 

zdog, it seems like we're dealing with someone who would piss in your face and tell you it's raining.

wow, is this a fun one.
so how about some real research?   When Raw first became popular, University of Cornell did a sampling from several who fed raw to check the diet for quality and balance, ie, it meets the dog's Daily Nutritional Requirements.  No one passed the tests.   No one.  
There are problems with some dogs eating bones. 
It takes great time to measure food to get your vitamins and minerals correct and this is very often "taken for granted".   And yes, onions, grapes, raisins, avocados and some foods are hazardous to dogs. 
So, for those of you who believe only raw produces old healthy dogs, you are welcome to see my old timers still tottering around.  I don't feed bones at all.  In 20 years of letting others feed raw chicken, I have had two impactions.   Two is plenty for me.  Please don't tell me there was not enough "fiber" etc in the diet. 
I do believe there is good reason to feed some meat, vegetables and COOKED eggs to include the shell, canned mackeral and tripe, but that's it. 

Cheers

Nancy Rhynard

"And most of the claims raw-feeders make about how much healthier their dogs are on raw are "bullshit" absolutely, plain and simple."

Well, Molly, I suppose we could re-work that statement a bit...

And most of the claims kibble-feeders make about how much healthier their dogs are on kibble are "bullshit" absolutely, plain and simple.

Then we could go round and round bickering about it for awhile.

I am surprised that no one has yet agreed to disagree or that people are so very concerned about what others feed their dogs.

And Nancy, re: the Cornell study, one could argue that when feeding raw, it is about balance over time, not "daily" requirements...did they do any long term studies?

Wait, maybe we should throw other options into the mix...like dehydrated foods like Honest Kitchen or Addiction...that could make things very interesting :)

(And just a disclaimer: I really don't give a hoot what other people feed their dogs...if someone wants to know about raw, I will happily explain why I choose this route, along with making suggestions about how I make it work, where I get my food, good resources, etc. Just because raw works for me, doesn't mean it works for everyone...truly the only people I will engage in a discussion about it are the dog food sales reps in the pet store. That is just plain funny.)

uvw
You are an arrogant person the way you spout off, never have any of my dogs ever had bad teeth or have they been any other colour than white. None ever had bad breath None ever had any skin problems, ALL have led a healthy life the youngest RAW fed dog living the least, the youngest Kibble fed dog died at 14.5 years old the oldest 16.25 years old, NONE ever went to a vet for any treatment other than vaccinations, until there very near last breath but the Vet was call to my home to see them not the other way round' 
Any dog if it is in good condition DOES not have DRY a nose, yet you chose to completely ignore what i said to you
Now you talk big as i said but sonny that is all you can do spout off, you cannot condition dogs the right way looking at the pics of yours you think you can but sorry they are not as they should be.
 If you do not believe what i say then you and other Guys on here look at your dogs pic's. then go onto the G.S side and look at the thread Raw Fed Pups, Then take a look at the Pup's  Pic's of martinusta1960. That pup is in superior condition to your dogs way out in front and that not one on here can say other, so Guys take a look and say what you see on here, look at the noses of all the Dogs including the Pups
Yes uvw it matters not if you feed Raw or anything else you are looking at your dogs with blinkers on, Get the problem fixed with your own dogs before you chastise others because if your dogs have dry noses there is something amiss in there diet, take notice because this shit feeding Englishman does know what he is  talking about 
Now you can carry on and say what you want, But my friend you have been found wanting in the conditioning of dogs, the Pic's say it all, the Photos show things how they are Dry noses, moist noses it is there for all to see, and a dry nose on a Dog is a very bad sign of something lacking in the diet, remember it is the food which feeds the Blood, the Blood feeds the body, I have said all i am going to on this thread nothing is proved with Raw or Kibble , both work well,
IF you know how to feed either one of them CORRECTLY
Steve1
YOU' can dissect this post again as much as you want to but it will remain the same you cannot cover up what you do not know about feeding dogs the evidence is on here for all to see how much you do not know

uvw
I have to be fair on this, you posted the Pic's of your Raw fed dogs, these pic's are my Shit Feeders as you call them they certainly are neglected in the food department aren't they, take a good close look at the colour and moist look of the noses of these Dogs.
Steve1