Vet said feeding raw is the worst thing ever for dog - Page 15

steve do you have a chemical imbalance?  those 2 dogs looked like they had dry noses in that photo because they were rolling their faces in dirt for the majority of the day.  and then when you wipe the dirt off the face, viola! normal noses, as you can see by the following pics which were taken a couple hours after.  maybe i should bathe and groom my dogs before each and every photo, so that they always look 'perfect'?

i'm not laughing at dry noses, i'm laughing at your ignorance.  others are laughing too, they're just too fed up or too busy to waste their time on your nonsense.  me, i'm just bored at the moment so i don't mind wasting some time here and there, lol.

nor did i say a lump of meat with a bone constitutes a sound diet.  you should go put words in someone elses mouth.

you sound very authoritative: "measured, weighed, and found wanting". i wonder if anyone actually listens to you. 

are you implying that you are god, or some higher power, that has carefully judged me and decided that i deserve some sort of punishment?  maybe you should use your spare time to re-read the book of daniel rather than show everyone how you're the end all know all of animal husbandry.  just because you've been doing something for 60 years doesn't mean you have nothing left to learn.

and yet, still no one has posted any sort of "scientific study" up about how great kibble is for dogs.  not even a comparison, just a study on kibble, or a study on why meeting minimum aafco requirements is beneficial to dogs, etc.

I remember hearing that the great Fritz Biehler was a  strong proponent of feeding a raw diet, really into animal nutrition.   Anyway, as has been said, to each their own, feed raw or feed kibble, whatever you want.  There are certainly good quality kibbles, and many poor quality kibbles, just as there are good raw diets and bad. 

One thing to remember, it's really not rocket science.  Dog food companies would have you believe it's so difficult to feed a balanced diet because it behooves them for you to believe it's way too hard to figure out how to feed a dog by yourself.  Kibble was invented as a convenience to man, not because it was better for the dog.  Nowadays, of course there are healthy kibbles, and dogs can thrive on bad kibble too, but raw feeding is just as healthy and just as easy as any  kibble diet. 

By the way, my own dogs regular (big city) vet used to be pro-kibble, but since he has seen with his own eyes that his clients dogs who are fed raw are healthy, he thinks raw feeding is fine, if that's what people want to feed.

take a look.  i don't personally feed this brand because of a difference of opinion on some things, but i found this interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeU6Ofc1hzw&feature=player_embedded

Dr. Richard Patton, PhD - Bachelor’s degree in Animal Science, Pennsylvania State University ; Master of Science in Reproductive Physiology, Purdue University; Ph.D. in Animal Nutrition, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University; and Business studies at Washburn University, Topeka, KS. twenty-eight scientific publications, established two patents.

the insulin spike from feeding kibble once per day reduces lifespan by 2-4 years.  <-- not something i made up because i don't have all sorts of fancy letters after my name, but something to think about.

Wonders, if the OP of this thread has actually come back to read all the responses? There's some really informative information here, but these types of topics are very subjective. We like what we like. No different, than discussing the difference between a vegan diet (and the multiple combinations of it) vs. a carnivore diet. What's good, better, best???....

What a load of rubbish you come out with rolling in the dirt a Dog with a Moist nose dirt will not stick to it you are a cover up Artist as well
Listen and learn, but that is beyond your capability it seems, A Fit Healthy Dog has a Moist nose, That moistness has a greasy feel to it and cold,  dirt will not adhere to it at all
You have been sussed out to be the moron with dogs that you areA good Dog owner and Feeder you are not, just plenty of Yap
Steve1

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You only read what you want to read, you quote statistics to me from other people or studies, DID i not tell you the youngest dogs death of mine was over 14 years old and the longest over 16 years old so many others inbetween those so all a good healthy long life and  Kibble fed etc. I do not think of whatever you fed those dogs on would have prolonged there lives, they lived a Vet free life and a good one at that
I do not need to read this sort of things you quote, they are of no use to me,
IF after over 60 years of Dogs without any problems health wise and if after all those years of handling dogs i need then to look up studies of these people then i may as well give up dogs al together, Buddy i am a Stockman bred and born, It is something you are born with a gift if you like, Nothing escapes me when it comes down to noticing anything amiss with an animal or birds We are all born with something good and that was my lucky gift.
NOW i put on the Photos of my three SHIT FEEDERS as you call them, Now tell me and everyone else on here what faults you can find in there condition do not be shy come out and tell me.
 

We are lucky here in Oz two vets who promote raw the original Dr Ian Billinghurst and Dr Bruce Symes make their own barf diet so all you do is open the packet and feed the dog. I raised my last couple of litters using it no problems and the puppies thrived. 

Interesting...people are comparing well breed, young dogs on dog food to older, in the past neglected, shelter lived dogs who HAD  hard life and LIVED on scraps or practically nothing.....you can't compare that...

Steve if you ever adopt emaciated dog from a shelter with health issues and nurse it to a show quality state on dog food you will prove a valid point...until than yes your dogs look great but thats their pedigree, that what they were breed to be, great looking and working dogs..no question about that.

I feed mine 1/2 and 1/2 except my male who is on raw because if he eats dog food even quality dog food he will start itching and scratching and rubbing himself against kennel fence....he was adopted form shelter he was skin and bones, he had food aggression and i had spend a fortune on his skin conditioning by testing what would work on him and the ONLY thing that works on him is raw food...most people here HAD to do research and switch to raw BECAUSE of health issues, because we got so desperate to help our dogs that we are willingly spend more $ on their food than on our own....believe me $25.99 on a bag of food for 3 weeks is a lot cheaper that 50 pounds of beef/chicken/lamb/turkey....but most of us do it because we saw the difference...so the argument on your part unfortunately is NOT a VALID argument..you have a healthy dog who does great on dog food...that is GREAT!  but please don't ague that raw food is not beneficial and does not make a difference because you have not spend hours rubbing creams on your dogs body where he scratched himself till he bleeds, you have not brushed your dog and saw fur come out in rows, you have not had a dog chew on his feet till you can see flesh missing and you have not felt the desperation of being so helpless that you would conceder putting a dog down because he is scratching himself raw and you feel like you can't help him at all....once you get one of those dogs and discover the miracle dog food that would work for that dog than you will be right.. and you will have weight to your statement that dog food is just as good as raw.



 

Yes Ladyfrost they are, but they have also been called Shit Feeders, that does not show them in a good light when that is said, However i realise that that person knows nothing about conditioning Dogs in General so He can say what he likes from now on He is not in the postition to comment in general, He simply is not up to the mark
Steve1

Ladyfrost, your observations and experience are bullshit :)  didn't you know?

it must be her imagination.  i bet that sick dog doesn't even exist.