Best basic pet obedience video without food... - Page 2

hey no apology needed, sometimes as a poster you just have to steer things back to the original question.  :)  Happens all the time on the forum and that's what a forum is about asking questions :)

im training a bitch in ob.  right now without food or toys , dont think the beginning  of training would be much appealing to general pet people , if you have the choice ,I would go with food or toy , unless a dog doesnot care for both

a correction ... there is always a motivator in anything a dog does , includung obedience.. [ a fundamental to surving , dogs do things with puposeness having been learned / or an automatic innate beahvioral preprogramed reaction ]      SO .. ?? why would a dog have to 'obey you ' [ obedience ] unless it had a reason ?? -- now food , toys etc.. yes .. they can be tools .. notice i say tools , i did not use the word ' reward '  ,,, i said tools .. ok rewards are good- have a place &  ok can be motivators .. if that works , then it works for dog/owner... so given that dogs do with motivations /instincts at times too , then a question , rhetorically , why not then , can or is .. the OWNER  a motivator ?? or why not cannot the owner BECOME [ and i mean the primary , not the seconardy or tertiary ]  the motivator ?? -- Mhm, mhm .. makes me womder about all these so called competition , high end people ... ever think about :    as  Dunringill  posted ' training is about relationship ' .. oh oh oh .. gee..my 'o my ...  they never thought of that !! IMO .. you ultmiately best  become the best motivator the dog has ever had .[ also i think that there is also a home comapnion difference vs these high end competion people that are tunneled vision and have only one end in their sight too, not all but many !! ]. ! as stated on another thread ... when the times get tough and you have no toy , no food and all that is left is YOU .. you better pray if you want to keep your fog home[figuratively that is] , that you are suffice for your dog ........  i know .. i wouldn't want my dog to trade me in .. ?? - for a toy ...just an oinion , just  words to contemplate ..

Alphapup, I'm really sorry i do not understand your post at all.  I'm really confuzzled.....  Did anyone else notice there is not one reference to a pet training video on this thread yet.  There arent any out there?

BYRN .. my post was trying to give merit to methods that don't use food or toys to train ... the rest is self explanatory ... I made the mistake that people have read other threads/my posts  , which i stressed the fact that what is out there in videos , books is what the Buzz is from the Gurus !! the so called new method[s] is 'what sells' .. Let's  understand ... it is about commercialism , money !! the other former methods , are generally considered old hat .. they don't sell - pewople don't make money preaching about them .. ..  .. for example .. i came across a DVD that someone produced about positive motivation in training obedience.. this is a quite renowned person .. i almost callled and blasted that person in critique of that info .. because : there is no positive motivation training where some point along the line you must discipline a dog . even if you use the word spoken in a whisper " NO". .. that is still a negative . can be a positive -negative. [meaning that it is a loving kind way to communicate ].. nevertheless , the word 'NO' is a negative. BUT it is this ' positive training " buzz that brings in the money !!!!  i can use a collar /leash without one word spoken , food, toy and  in 30 minuters train a dog to all basic commands,  [sit/down / stand/ heel ]. it is a very ,very,  kind , gentle and loving manner to teach .. nd precise becaue the dog clearly , without mixed signals reads my body language ..  BUT .. again you have not been given any video for this because it is all about what sells. it's business.   you know .. there arte no military secrets about trainging /teaching dogs/ it isa not that mystical .. people make it so mystical. like it something only for the elitew or knowledgable.  !! one can teach  a child but cannot teach or train a dog ?? go figure !! --the videos you seek are not [ to my knowledge ] being produced due to marketing. sorry i could not present some literature .however i will look for you  or see if i have some literature from my past &  find some DVD / book ,  not only  will i  PM you - i will send it to you if you wish -ok .... AP

OK now that post I understand :)  That is what i am looking for for sure very basic obedience video for people who have no idea or have never ever trained a dog before.  Nothing to do with competition or getting the best attitiudes in training.  Info to give to pet clients who wish to have a nice trained dog.  Collar and leash but gentle.  If you have any titles that would be wonderful!  I appreciate your help with this as the collar no food methods I learned were Wynn Strickland, Blanche Saunders, Volhart Fisher etc.  all pretty outdated and rough compared to what we do today.  But thanks again for clarifying!

Yank and Crank for $20 on DVD.

The Boxer in the pic is my first dog.

I wish I could go back and apologize to the poor dog.  I'm sorry buddy, I just didn't know any better.

Of course, Ron would object and say that for dogs under 6 months, he does use food, and for dogs over 6 months they are "rewarded" with praise, which is sufficient for every dog. 

hey Mudwick thank you very much. In the late 70's Most of us trained like that none of us knew any better.  Thank heavens dog training has evolved.  There are still trainers who train without some type of positive method but they are getting further and further outdated.