What is a King Shepherd - Page 10

Okay harddawg, sounds like you have correct temperament. Excellent.  Now do they look like what the FCI/SV standard specifies?

I was not being condescending, merely trying to politely tell you to get a clue.  All dogs know how to track, you just have to be smarter than the dog to teach it to follow the scent you want it to follow -duh!

Yes there are a few show line dogs that can work, but not near enough.  The working line dogs could stand to be prettier, true enough, but Max would be turning over in his grave if he knew breeders were sacrificing even a little of the work ethic in favor of a showier dog.  Form follows function and pretty is as pretty does.  These dogs are meant to be able to work first, if they are pretty well that's just icing on the cake.

"Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have worked my life long for that aim" - Captain Max v Stephanitz

Preston, I also totally agree with your post about working dogs. And I've also seen showlines so far from the breed standard that they looked like caricatures of a GSD.

Here's a statement for you which I think you probably will agree with. Once you've commented on it, I'll let you know who said it:

"Compared to my Schutzhund experience, the [American] show dogs were dumb. They were "Foo-Foo" dogs who could run pretty, but most of them didn't have a brain between their ears. The Schutzhund dogs were the heart of what a dog should be, but the "Foo-Foo" dogs were where the money was."

I forgot: have a question for you, Preston. What does a dog with 'no croup' look like? I'm thinking one of those showlines with such an exaggerated topline that its butt almost disappears underneath its body, but generally, working dogs aren't built that way. Can you show us an example?

Thanks!

I have many friends on both sides of the table.  Obviously there is room for improvement  in both working and show line dogs.  There will always be those who prefer showlines and those who prefer workinglines, I don't see anything wrong with that.  My showline friends admire the work ethic in the working lines, I admire the beauty of the showlines.  I think arguing over which is better is pointless, childish, a waste of time, and really dumb.

SpeakNow between your wild exaggerations, belligerent insults and bizarre assumptions it's obvious you have real issues with schutzhund, working line dogs and those of us for whom schutzhund is a passion and a hobby.  You even have the nerve to question the motives of an entire group of people you don't even know, probably haven't even met. 

Your attitude makes me wonder what happened to make you so over the top crazy against  schutzhund?  Were you bitten by a working line dog as a child?  Did a schutzhund club tell you your dog/dogs weren't good enough & refused you membership?   Did a helper chase one of your dogs?  If a club was rude to you, or mistreated you or your dogs, you are owed an apology and I can understand how that would leave a bitter taste in someones mouth, but enough already, we get it, you don't like it.  Here's a news flash for you - you don't speak on behalf of the majority of showline breeders and the views you express are not shared by most showline breeders.