Clarification on WDA members participating in USA events? - Page 5

You DO have a choice. Unfortunately, some would rather cucarachiar.

leoetta- Joy Schultz is wonderful! She has a clear answer for every question and is just about the most helpful person I've ever spoken to. I wish I had a fraction of her efficiency.

cucarachiar 

well, I googled and still don't know what this means. I'm pretty sure if it's a bad habit, I have it. But I need to know for sure. It might be treatable.


Rik

If you really want to know why not go to the source? UScA 's phone # is 314-638-9686. If you call they will answer your question and you will know without any doubt what is allowed and what is not.   You'll cut down on the "I thinks" "probablies" & "Should be's" and you know for sure.

LMAO Rik! :-)

 Here is my take on these issues...again...


 Dog1 said "The scorebooks are GSDCA-WDA scorebooks. They are the same as WDA scorebooks essentially in the eyes of USA. Would USA recognize strictly GSDCA scorebooks? Maybe so, but the GSDCA isn't going to start that process."

 The problem is that a NON-WUSV member organization ISSUES the scorebook. GSDCA-WDA is NOT a WUSV member. You are correct about that if GSDCA (the WUSV member) issued the scorebook then USA would probably have to certify it and allow entry with it.

VonIsengard said

"Clubs are hurting, fewer and fewer of them can afford to fly in SV judges, which, to my knowledge, you NEED to obtain a breed survey under and SV judge. Correct me if I am wrong, anyone."

  I have breed surveyed my dogs without a SV judge. The Breed survey is not recognized in Germany but unless you are one of the handful of people that compete at SS in Germany or fly your dogs to breed and whelp IN Germany, it doesn't matter. I believe this only effects a handful of people in the entire country, most of us just need the breed survey for here. I just breed surveyed my dog under a SV keormeister using only USA and FCI judges for all titles. However, if you title under a SVR USA Judge then your title IS recognized for the breed survey in Germany. There are 12 USA judges with this distinction and they are clearly identified on USA's website.

 I am sorry but most of the people I see complaining about this are NOT USA members. Why should USA be concerned with making it easy for NON-members to title their dogs. To me if this is a problem for you the answer is simple. Join USA. From what I understand WDA does not require membership or scorebook certification to enter, so if you are a USA member you can enter both orgs events.


  Hope this helps to clear up a few things.....

Unknown: A big part of the problem for these NON-member complainers is the mere fact that USCA is still standing. It is not crumbling, crawling, or about to dissolve because the complainers choose to be WDA members. They don't want to "support" USCA because of the so-called JA that the USCA MEMBERSHIP has upheld twice, yet they want to enter (support) USCA events, because their chosen organization does not provide for them.

For me it's the other way around.  I'm happy to be a member of USCA (as I am right now) and support their events, but in order to do a breed survey I need a show card, and I at the moment I can find about a dozen WDA shows for every 1 USCA show within three states of me.  I'll probably have to do the breed survey through WDA or it's just not going to happen.  :(

I think both opinions are off. First you have to be a WDA member to participate in WDA events. Why should USA be concerned? Well here's one of many situations. See if you can follow this.

As a member of a WUSV club you can participate in USA events which includes USA trials. You can enter but you have to have a scorebook. USA will not sell you a scorebook to participate in a trial of theirs you can enter! Get it? It doesn't make sense. It's another stupid obstacle that shouldn't exist. It's driving people away from participating in events as this thread demonstrates.

Entries are down? It's not the price of gas! It's the stupid rules nobody understands that keeping them away. Need proof? Check the statistics of the two sieger shows in IL. Same location, same gas prices, 33% decrease in entries. You don't need a neon light to figure out what the problem was.

Who's coming out against USA? It a great organization. You just can't belong to them if you want to participate in all the events in this country.

Hey,

Lets do an exercise. Maybe we can demonstrate just what's clogging this country up. Let's see what it takes to take a dog from BH to breed survey. We can use USA events, WDA events and a combination of both and see what it would take to get it done. I'll start a new thread.

I've belonged to both.  I have many great friends and training buddies in both org's.  I know some people at the top of both.  I like most of them.  Now I only belong to USA, mostly because there are zero wda clubs around here.  I was dual before, then dropped USA because our club was just wda.  Now 'm back to usa because if I want to play in this area, it's what have to be.

I don't particularly think the org's exist to serve anyone but those that are sitting there trying to serve themselves.  Otherwise this BS wouldn't exist.  There's good and bad in both.  I've trained with excellent people in both and i keep saying it over and over, i've been to plenty of both trials and there is nothing that happens at one that doesn't happen at the other.  The standards are the same, the judging i've been under has been the same. 

The routines are the same and the dog world is much stronger working together than having to battle out this bullshit.