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by Czech DDR Lover on 07 August 2011 - 22:08
Yes it is alot to take care of... and some do a better job of it than others.
I'm glad you have time to take care of your own dogs. Otherwise you shouldn't have them.
I'm relieved to know that they are all cared for now so that you have the time to post that helpful bit of information for the dog world to benefit from.
I'm not asking you or anyone else to worry about what you can't change.
Lots of voters in this great country of ours have that same thought process, I'm sorry to say.
For my part, I would definately appreciate having someone else spare a small amount of their day in order to prevent someone else from purposely being ripped off, if it's known be a certainty...which in this case I know that it was.
And yes, I know this First Hand.
If more dog people spent their energy on doing constructive things for the dog community and those in it, and spent less time wasting their energy on bashing others for trying to do so, I believe the dog world and those who devote their lives to the animals they love would be far more enhanced by doing so.
by Czech DDR Lover on 07 August 2011 - 23:08
As an update to this thread, directed to those of you that care and are passionate about preventing others from being ripped off...
I've been emailed by someone who is familiar with this situation that one of two litter pages on said website discussed above has not been revised, still showing the information of the original litters for said stud dog being offered.
Since the kennel owner emailed me to say the page had been revised, I give him the benefit of the doubt and assume this second page from the site is an oversite on his part, and so I emailed him to let him know.
Today it is still showing said stud dog listed, possibly he is either away for the weekend or has not had access to his webmaster to change the additional litter page?
Will post updates..
Update...
second "upcoming litter page" was updated Aug 8th
by eichenluft on 07 August 2011 - 23:08
I have nothing to add or comment on this thread other than a little tidbit of information that may or may not be useful. When you (anyone "you") take a stud dog to be collected for freezing - you are automatically the owner of that frozen semen. So, you do not have to be the owner of the stud dog to be the owner of the semen. The legal owner of the semen is the person who fills out the collection/freezing forms at the vet and pays for the collection/processing/freezing/storage. So that owner of that semen could absolutely advertise the stud dog as "available" and use his semen in any way he saw fit, including accepting stud fees (selling the straws) and register his litters from that stud dog.
molly
molly
by Czech DDR Lover on 08 August 2011 - 17:08
Hi Molly, and thank you, I appreciate your input about this subject because it is an important one, and one which can present major puppy registration problems for prospective puppy buyers.
I agree with your post in every respect, up to your last several words "and register his litters from that stud dog".
I completely agree that the person who takes the dog for collection IS the one who owns the semen, but the person who collects the dog, signs the collection forms and has semen frozen /stored on said dog may not always be the one who owns the stud dog. This is the point at which it becomes a buyer beware situation...because indeed, they DO own that dog's frozen semen.
But for AKC registered litters, You MUST be the stud owner, OR have signed semen collection forms granting permission BY STUD OWNER giving their permission/consent to have said stud dog collected, for which by giving your permission you are agreeing that "you", as owner of the stud dog, agree to sign off and approve AKC registration on all litters produced by your said stud from these and ONLY these agreed upon frozen semen collection(s)...
Typically stud dog owner designates a specific number of collections, (or specifies a particular number of individual breedings) allowed via signed collection form, and those "signed for and approved collections" are then owned by the person collecting from the stud for those specific designated collections/breedings.
That's the only way to insure you can OWN the semen AND will be able to register litters from said stud dog's frozen semen.
If that were not the case, every person who ever boards, trains, or agrees to feed your dog overnight for you while you're gone, theoretically could collect, freeze and store semen from someone else's stud dog and produce AKC registered pups from same, (provided that and assuming that person also owns the female and she is of course Breed Organization {i.e. AKC} registered. )
As a safety precaution, owner of the stud should never sign and provide a blank collection form to anyone who was given permission to collect stud for their use, as this could be used well outside what stud owner intended.
And of course, Co-ownership of said stud could present a different set of circumstances entirely.
by eichenluft on 08 August 2011 - 20:08
I don't think that is correct, but will check with AKC to be sure. I believe that for frozen semen breedings, the owner of the semen is the owner of the semen being used for that litter - and that owner of record (on record as owner of the semen) can sign for litter registration. I do believe. But I will check, certainly I might be wrong.
molly
molly
by eichenluft on 08 August 2011 - 21:08
I checked. The application for akc registration for a litter resulting from frozen semen AI is only signed by the owner or co-owner of the SEMEN. Nowhere does it say the owner of the stud dog's signature or permission is required.
http://www.akc.org/pdfs/frozsem.pdf
http://www.akc.org/pdfs/frozsem.pdf
by Czech DDR Lover on 09 August 2011 - 00:08
Yes, that is the correct page from akc.., but it is not the correct information about registering a litter from collected frozen semen..
There are additional requirements than those I will post here, but below highlight the pertinent excerpts from page 4 of this pdf.
note the posted sections below:
by Czech DDR Lover on 09 August 2011 - 00:08
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A. Dog Identification:
Breed
AKC registered name and number of stud dog
Sex, color, markings of stud dog (include tattoo, if any)
Color photographs of stud dog (full front and full side views)
Date of birth
AKC registered name and number of sire and dam
Name and address of owner of stud dog
AKC suggests that collector also keep a health work-up of stud dog as part of stud dog’s identification)
B. Collection of Semen:
Date on which stud dog was received
Owner’s authorization of semen collection
Date semen collected, frozen and stored
Number of breeding units stored
Form of semen storage (Pellets, Ampules, Vials, Straws, etc.)
Container in which each breeding unit is stored shall be indelibly imprinted to show: Breed, AKC registration number of stud dog, Date semen collected
A. Dog Identification:
Breed
AKC registered name and number of stud dog
Sex, color, markings of stud dog (include tattoo, if any)
Color photographs of stud dog (full front and full side views)
Date of birth
AKC registered name and number of sire and dam
Name and address of owner of stud dog
AKC suggests that collector also keep a health work-up of stud dog as part of stud dog’s identification)
B. Collection of Semen:
Date on which stud dog was received
Owner’s authorization of semen collection
Date semen collected, frozen and stored
Number of breeding units stored
Form of semen storage (Pellets, Ampules, Vials, Straws, etc.)
Container in which each breeding unit is stored shall be indelibly imprinted to show: Breed, AKC registration number of stud dog, Date semen collected
by Czech DDR Lover on 09 August 2011 - 00:08
D. Collector shall also maintain records of all transfers of ownership of stored semen. (See Section Vl below re: transfer of ownershlp of semen.)
II Records to be Kept by Owners of Stud Dogs:
In addition to the records required to be kept by owners and breeders, as provided in AKC pamphlet "Regulations for Record Keeping and Identification of Dogs,’’ owners of dogs from which semen has been collected, frozen and stored, shall include the following:
AKC registered name and number of stud dog
Date dog shipped to collector
Name and address of collector
Number of breeding units collected, frozen and in storage
Location of semen storage
Transfer of ownership of semen (see Section Vl below)
by Czech DDR Lover on 09 August 2011 - 00:08
VI Transfer of Ownership of Semen:
Records required to be kept by owners of dogs from which semen has been collected and stored, and records required to be kept by collector (if semen is held in storage) must also note transfers of ownership of semen. Such records to include:
Authorization of transfer
Number of breeding units transferred
Date of transfer
Name and address of new owner
The AKC shall be immediately notified of such transfer of ownership of
frozen semen.
VII Location of Stored Semen:
In the event semen is stored at a facility other than the facility at which it was collected, frozen and initially stored—or—in the event all or part of the collected frozen semen is transferred to a new owner (see Sections ll and Vl above), the owner or new owner shall immediately notify AKC. Such notification
shall include:
Identification of semen (Breed, AKC registered name and number of stud dog, date semen collected)
Number of breeding units relocated
Date transferred to new storage facility
Name and address of storage facility
VIII Certification:
The AKC shall require such certifications from the semen owner, owner (or lessee) of bitch, and veterinarian who inseminated bitch, as shall be necessary
to support an application for registration of a litter of dogs produced by the use of frozen semen.
Records required to be kept by owners of dogs from which semen has been collected and stored, and records required to be kept by collector (if semen is held in storage) must also note transfers of ownership of semen. Such records to include:
Authorization of transfer
Number of breeding units transferred
Date of transfer
Name and address of new owner
The AKC shall be immediately notified of such transfer of ownership of
frozen semen.
VII Location of Stored Semen:
In the event semen is stored at a facility other than the facility at which it was collected, frozen and initially stored—or—in the event all or part of the collected frozen semen is transferred to a new owner (see Sections ll and Vl above), the owner or new owner shall immediately notify AKC. Such notification
shall include:
Identification of semen (Breed, AKC registered name and number of stud dog, date semen collected)
Number of breeding units relocated
Date transferred to new storage facility
Name and address of storage facility
VIII Certification:
The AKC shall require such certifications from the semen owner, owner (or lessee) of bitch, and veterinarian who inseminated bitch, as shall be necessary
to support an application for registration of a litter of dogs produced by the use of frozen semen.
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