2011 FCI World Championship - Page 5

Since I never met Max and I assume you haven't either, one can only "guess" about what he wanted from a German Shepherd Dog however, the current showline Shepherd is nowhere near the standard that he set forth.  Just to remind you, go back and look at photos of first registered German Shepherds, what did they look like?

Maywood,
Bernd v Lierberg was number three in the world in conformation, AND during the same era the number one producer of top dogs in the Bundesseigerprufund.  Mutz, Frei, and Marko were also very successful in the conformation ring and very successful producers of great working dogs. Is this possible today? It has and can be done, just can't be done now with the separate mindsets of the different worlds. If 75% of breeders bred for the right purpose we would have a different result of the breed in the working world.

Bernd Lierburg was an anomoly and is the only VA dog ever to place in the BSP.  Very rare to have both equally.  Same story as always. 

Maywood, like you said you ain't wrong about nothing....you are much too knowledgable for me to dispute.
Thanks for the information.

Thank you Gustav, that's my point.  I see the similarities and can understand the confusion,,they almost look like twins.


       

All of you who think the Malinois is THE all around dog just take your Malinois for a simple jog around the block and you’ll discover real quickly they do have their own limitations.  They are strictly a working dog and that is it.  They blow at everything else as all other breeds do.

Took my dogs for a walk around the block, and a hike along the river, exactly what was I supposed to discover about them? 

Maybe the length of your walk was the problem,,,,must have been too short,,or maybe too long, no, short, no wait, long.  Not sure, ask Maywood, he/she seems to be tuned in to the long dead soul of the Good Captain and knows exactly what he wanted from his working dogs.

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Phil:

       Whats really funny is I agree with you on must of your post,s on the demise of the German Shepherd Dog as a working dog. The S.V. who one would think is supposed to be the Gaurdian of the standard is the greatest villian here. I agree no one speaking or breeding today can tell you what Max was thinking would be the conclusion of the breed. The Standard isn,t the problem it,s the interpitation of the standard that is faulty. The breed wothyness test has been gutted no argument there.  

 A human created the breed and human greed is destroying it. None of the dogs I own or have owned or train with in the club I belong to  look any thing like what you have posted as a example of the breed but I would also state that for me what you posted is not a working animal it is a show line dog with limited mobility and limited utility yes I agree the S.V. will hold it up proudly and I will agree with you 100% that it is a fault to the breed standard. 
     
 I like all working dogs that being said I am of course a GSD person it,s what I own It,s what I raise and train with so yes I will be a staunch defender of it whether it match,s the Breed Standard enforced by the S.V. or not. Mali,s are Nice dogs, Dutchies are Nice dogs, many of the working breeds are wonderful dog,s you can find fault in all the breeds just as easily but I try not to.

USCA has it,s problems I,ll agee also but the demise of the GSD is it,s fault? What has the GSDCA done to correct this problem and by extension the WDA also?. In the end there all quilty of the same crime are they not?.

 I don,t want to argue over stuff that has been hashed over for years and years I do want to Raise, Train, and Breed my dogs to fullfill what I see is the intent they were created for I don,t own sheep so the utitlty is the greatest desire I can hope for. And no matter what any orginization say,s does or demands I will continue to Raise ,Train and Breed what I feel is correct If you allow the politics to determine your end results you don,t deserve to represent the breed Gsd,Mali,Dutchie what ever you have.


Post Script.

If you want a good chuckle go to the GSD side and whatch the video,s post,s shortly ago from The Bszs 2011...

   
   

I think all on this thread agree that the Malis are good working dogs.

I don't see why dude feels the need to argue that GSD showlines are not good working dogs....so by extension the GSD working lines are also not good working dogs? I think that's the argument anyway....


Mike

My point is, it's 1 breed with 1 standard.  You're only as strong as your weakest link.