2011 FCI World Championship - Page 9

many of todays malinois are circusdogs and pointmachines , where guarding is actually nothing more than waiting for the ball to drop and transport is a  heeling excercise
without real intentions its easyer to score points , last powerhause malinois Ive seen were NVBK dogs who are basically mixed breeds ,(as are the pedigreemalinois)


about helmut reisser , does anyone ever thought of the influence of using the whip in building up dogs had on the course the breed took
many dogs that needet the whip to wake up , would never have been used for breeding if there was no whip used at all
 

about history , horand was born in late 1800 , belgium ringsport was started in 1913 and for many years dominated by groenendael , dutch KNPV  was founded in 1907  and many years dominated by dutch shepherds(with some backgrounds similar as malinois)

"many of todays malinois are circusdogs and pointmachines , where guarding is actually nothing more than waiting for the ball to drop and transport is a  heeling excercise
without real intentions its easyer to score points , last powerhause malinois Ive seen were NVBK dogs who are basically mixed breeds ,(as are the pedigreemalinois)"

Yet the Malinois is the preferred dog now for law enforcement and military, where they are expected to bite people, for real, on a regular basis. How can this be, if they are only point-machine-circus-dogs, as you put it?

The fact of the matter is that the Malinois has been and continues to kick major butt in just about everything they do. I don't see this slowing down anytime soon. Maybe if the breed gets super popular we will see a decline?

Here's an interesting thought: Aren't some malinois better GSDs than some GSDs? That is, pedigree aside, don't they meet the GSD standard BETTER than some GSDs?

there is a big difference between malinois and pedigreemalinois
however both bloodlines are mixed with other breeds (german shep. , great dane , akita , greyhound , dutch shep, pitbull , you name it)
one of the topbloodlines in pedigreemalis has german shepherds in it very upclose  , told to me and shown by the breeder itself , for your further info , workingline pedigrees from dutch shepherds are mostly incorrect as are the workinglinebouvier pedigrees

showlinemalis do have shittycaracters as well , but are very few around , and the rest dont fit the breedstandart if you look with one eye or both eyes  closed

Duck I see you like to make up your own stories about breed history.
http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/articles/belgium/Belgian-Malinois-History/1877 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Shepherd_Dog 

If my understanding of chronology is correct, 1891 came before 1899 and if you look back at pictures of the original German Shepherds, they look more like the Malinois of not only yesteryear but also of today compared to the Shepherds of today.  The basis for your nice mix of breeds comes from your years of DNA testing?

And, being as this thread was started by me under the heading of "2011 FCI World Championship", your posts are not following the original premise so maybe go spout your jealousy somewhere else, the numbers don't lie.  It is an IPO competition, open to the majority of the working breeds and this year (as well as previous years) was dominated by the Malinois.  I was straining my eyes looking for you and your "non-circus", "real dog" on the podium and I didn't see you,,,,,,which one were you again?

If you really want a history lesson on the origin of the Malinois breed, I suggest you PM Malndobe, she probably knows as much about it's history and bloodlines as anyone here in the States.

I am NOT getting into this discussion other than to clarify one misguided point the the "dude" made...
Here is the quote:
"The sport/evaluation has been around for more than 100 years however it has been softened somewhat of late but that was more to accommodate the show dogs (no courage test, no attack on handler, no gunfire in the BH) than anything else. " 

In regards to gunfire... EVERY SINGLE SHOW REQUIRES GUNFIRE TESTING AFTER AGE 12 MONTHS! 
I have heard of these other changes, but am totally against it!  My question is, are they taking the courage test and attack on handler out of the Sieger shows too?  Totally ridiculous!
Debby

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Duderino said there is no gun fired during the BH, and he's right.  It was removed a couple years back, as a matter of fact.   Obviously there is a gun fired for schH 1, 2, 3.  Anyway, this thread is SUPPOSED to be about the FCI Schutzhund World Championship.  Let's not take this even further afield by bringing up what passes for a performance test at a show.

Yes, I know it was taken out of the BH, but his point was was that it was taken out to soften things up for the show dogs. Funny how the show dogs are tested all the time, so why would it be ONLY to soften it up for the show dogs???

Debby

Oh please, "show dogs are tested all the time"  
................BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA! Wow!!!!  Thanks for the laugh!! 

Can we get back to the real discussion please?

You know what - nevermind, I think this discussion has now officially gone into fantasy land.  "show dogs are tested all the time".  Absurd. 

Tested for THE GUNFIRE !  Laugh all you want it just shows your stupidity when it comes to knowing about shows and gunfire.
Debby

dilderino , for your info , my breed history is very right , I have in my posession original papers and magazines starting late 1800 , early 1900 , I can give you the results of the first ring competitions in belgium , who competed , who won what points each dog had and where they lost their points , so please  spare me your google and wiki wisdom

also first workingcompetitions were not by saint hubert , as saint hubert refused to organize workingtrails , the main workingclubs in belgium got out of saint hubert and founded Kennel Club Belge  who had the first ringtrails and policecompetitions , and also in KCB lies the basic breeding of the belgium workingbreeds

at later days , as saint hubert recognized their mistake ,and also started to organize workingtrails ,  many of the great workingdogs were listed under different names and numbers in the different studbooks so they could compete on both saint hubert and KCB

in those years the entries of workingbreeds in both conformation and workingtrails where much bigger in KCB , than in saint hubert