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Kenan, you sound like a reasonable person so please know that I, Blitzen, never suggested your friend "bashed in the heads" of those puppies, that was not my quotation. I am certainly glad to hear that if he had to kill tham, it was done by a vet. It's sad that killing female puppies is practiced anywhere in the world. I hope you are successful in that he does not breed this bitch again, but you can only lead the horse to the water, you can't force it to drink.

Euthenized not "clubbed"? Hmmm, imagine that! Glad I backed you Kenan.~ Unfortunatelly such practice is widely used here. People find it difficult to sell female pup and some do not want to give bloodline away to possible competition. Therefore, even if I reported it, I would be told to mind my own business since almost everybody is doing it. The only thing possible for me to do (I was informed about it when it was over) was to be angry with the guy. Ok Blitz and Echo...dare I say, I was not making this up? Also I believe I said, "I do not cull". Point I was trying to make was...lets quit jumping on people, without the FULL story. NO hard feelings, lets just not blast people on here by our own wrong assumptions.

4pack, next time it might be in your best interests to keep things like this to yourself or within you close circle of friends. If you have to do it, do it and don't flaunt it as if everybody does it but you are the only one big enough to own up to it. Having worked as a vet tech for many years, I've seen things done to animals that are unspeakable and I do not take kindly to owners killing a tiny puppy with their own hands and I will say so every time that subject comes up regardless of who that person is. To me it was never about you personally, it was about the act. 75 miles is not that far to drive. Had you really wanted to get the pup to the vet's, I think you'd have found a way to do it. Instead you CHOSE to put the puppy down yourself, only you know how that was accomplished. I certainly hope that you are wrong when you say many breeders do this. Sorry if you don't understand that I cannot abide the thought of a breeder hand killing a tiny puppy when a vet was avaialble albeit not convenient for you at the time. You've changed your storyline with every post running the gamut from having a cocky attitude that "offing a dog is offing a dog" no matter how it is done to your saving enough money to feed your dogs for several months to your present state of remorse. From the start you have spun around my words to justify your own actions. Don't do that anymore, quote me verbatim or don't refer to anything I've said herein. You spun around my suggestion that a lethal injection is the humane way to kill a dog - "why is a needle a more humane way than any other means of instant death.....because Blitzen says so?" Is that's not a spin, I'm not sure what is. Even the most non-doggy person understands that a lethal injection is a more humane way of ending the life of a puppy than is strangulation, drowning, smothering and any other means available to a breeder. It's nothing to do with what Blitzen says or doesn't say. It's only common sense. Now I am truly done with this and I hope you are as well. The horse is dead.

Kenan-- Glad you're back. You're original post was very informative and an eye opener for me.

NO Blitzen I will not keep to myslef. Thats my whole point! Maybe you should keep your distaste to yourself? Well you see my attitude changed as the course of the day wanned on, and went form jovial to bored, to just had a migrain from going back and forth with your thick ass. Who cares how it was stated? Offed, put down, killed, expired, I can keep going... You strike me as a cranky shit, that just wants "something" to bitch about. If this be the case go fight a real fight, not how I come off or use my words. Take your cause to the fur trade, because thats were the sickness takes place. Not in my backyard. Also every reason I gave for doing what I did was true, not that it's any of your damn business, nor do I care if that makes you feel better. I don't need to justify my actions to you. I had many reasons and didn't feel the need to disclose them all in my first post. I too have seen dispicaple acts done to animals. I volunteered at a rescue for a couple yrs, been involved in horses, ranching and the like. You do what needs to be done in my world. Vets are not always on hand. You can't win every fight and you can't change the world! I could never strangle, suffocate or drown an animal of any kind. I can't even step on bugs without freaking out. You don't want to know what I did, therefor I will not say and you can go on in your delusion assuming whatever makes you feel "grumpy" for the day.

Kind of hits a nerve myself guys... I get to see the "RESULTS of CLUBBING" I am the not just the Manager here at the shelter but also, The Euth Tech, and the Investigator, So when I find a LIVE PUP WITH A HOLE IN THE TOP OF HER HEAD AFTER BEEN CLUBBED WITH HAMMER OR SOMETHING AND I HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE THE DECISION TO SAVE OR EUTH YES IT HITS A NERVE. If anyone is practicing Culling as a GENERAL Practice... THEY NEED TO STOP BREEDING FOR SHIT SAKES, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURES YOU GUYS !!! Can't sell it so I'm gonna club it ! That's BULLSHIT TO THE MAXIMUM RIGHT THERE !!! As for why the Mother at the PUPS where here's your freaking sign.... Take 5 minus 3 mom gets freaked cause something stole her babies she feels she can't "PROTECT THEM" what do they typically do when feeling threatened ? KILL the litter !!!! DUHHHH Stress her some more with this continued kind of crap and she will continue to in her mind "Protect" herself from harm. This is unbeleiveable and incredibly WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS IF THEY CAN'T SELL THEM THEY NEED TO STOP BREEDING !!! STOP BREEDING !!! STOP BREEDING !!!

BTW, Not an attack on Blitzen or 4-Pack !! Not an attack on anyone, My statements above were very generalized for a reason, I do not want to attack anyone here. These are MY FEELINGS on the practice of culling and sorry but because they can't sell female pups, THAT IS NOT A GOOD REASON, AND WARRANTS LOOKING INTO WHY ?? Don't you think. Maybe if they can't sell them there are way too many and they need to start regularting how many litters are being born !!!! Random Culling is a bunch of crap... done for the right reasons, birth defect, injured, I'm fine with. Yes look into the Fur trade, most being skinned are GSD's Makes me gag to think of it. Maybe where ever this practice is being done "Regularly" they should just stop for a while.

They don't do it in Europe because they can't sell them Echo. Allot of times they are the best of the best, of breeders and they don't want their lines "stolen". We have other ways to prevent that here, contracts etc. I don't quite get it myself. If they have the best dogs, I think we should be breeding to those bitches. What better way to improve the breed? Part of it may be due to greed and $ another part prestige. I think the best way to handle it is put your pups in the "right" hands. If you don't want them bred, have them spayed. I sold my last female to a pet home with just that agreement. She will be spayed becaus they ahve no intention to breed and we don't need an unwanted oops litter to clog the shelters that are already full. 99% of the time my dogs are "fixed." What I get mad about is the ones that arent and are running rampant, squirting puupies out every 6 months, with no homes in site for them.

Echo, the last time I tried to talk about the fur trade on this board I took it in the shorts from a number of others...... They think it's OK if it provides a living to a poor family and I should just mind my own business....... It was a lie, it doesn't happen the way I said it does and that video of the GSD being skinned alive was staged and a fake and I was stupid for falling for it...... It was a hoax perpetuated by the lunatic fringe of the animal rights groups..... Why would I, a resident of the US, think that it was any different than butchering livestock inhumanely. The spin doctors rule this board. It seems to me that little to nothing offends many people here so why beat your head against a brick wall to try to change their minds? If it interfers with their making money, they are going to justify selling their own kids into slavery. There are 2 kinds of people breeding dogs, those who love the breed and those who exploit the breed. It's not hard to figure out who is who.

Well for one I was personaly disturbed by the fur trade issue. I watched a clip that made my life hell for days and it wasn't even about the dogs. Racoons, mink, foxes and cats are all bashed and skinned alive. I never said the clip you had up was a fake, that would be DH. I don't think there is anything fake about it. How many pelts did they say were shipped in a year from China? Yeah I am so sure that those millions were killed humanely right? However I don't believe we can point the finger at China as a whole. Telling people to not sell their pups to China, is a little finatical in my book. There are 2 kinds of people on this board, the open minded and the closed. We are all aware of just how perfect you are Blitzen. Obviously you keep things to yourslef as you suggest I should. I will not be bullied by you or anyone, to keep closed mouthed about the truth and things that happen in this world everyday. You may not want to be made aware, for the sake of bursting your fairytail bubble. I want people to know what takes place, when you breed or are involved with breeders. It's not all fuzzy puppies and sweet times. Their are malformed pups, sick dogs, lying cheaters in the breed business and more, that people need to think about, before they put 2 dogs together and call themelves a breeder. My reasons for saying what I do, is to open up to others who may not know. I'm in no way, saying culling is good or that we should all do it. I said it does take place. Blitzen if you are implying that I am exploiting the breed, I laugh at that! I have owned 9 GSD's, all altered except 1. I don't consider myself a breeder. I love GSD's and I own them as my personal pets. If I have another litter, it will not be with my current bitch but the pup I have coming, if she turns out worthy. That is all way in the future though. I'm not out making $ from my dogs and have no reason to lie to sell puppies. I have never advertised on this board to sell my dogs. Oh and by the way...it's not your job to change peoples minds. We all think for ourself. Who are you to even try?