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by grauerschaeferhund on 31 October 2006 - 11:10

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Vom Brunhaus

by Vom Brunhaus on 31 October 2006 - 11:10

This is becoming a trend overseas sending dogs over pregnant and increasing their value. Did you have any kind of contract or guarantee? I doubt it. I dont think you are going to get any kind of refund in this type of situation. Whatever arrangements if any you can make with the breeder will probably be his call. Im sure the breeder did ulta sound and confirmed pregnancy before shipping the dog.

by grauerschaeferhund on 31 October 2006 - 12:10

Vom Brunhaus; Thanks for responding. I was offerd a free puppy of my choice, but I have to pay for shipping again.

Vom Brunhaus

by Vom Brunhaus on 31 October 2006 - 12:10

Grauerschaeferhund, Dont know what you paid for female but this wont add up to being even, but at least you got something. A pup of your choice would be by sex I assume. You should let the seller know that you expect at least a middle pick from this litter and not the last picks. Hope it works out for you.

KYLE

by KYLE on 31 October 2006 - 13:10

This is a buyer beware situation. If the seller confirmed the pregnancy what more can they, should they do? When dealing with GSD's we want guarentees against natural selection. The buyer should know that extended travel especially on a plane adds alot of stress. Its like a guarentee against HD. Its all a gamble. Kyle

Vom Brunhaus

by Vom Brunhaus on 31 October 2006 - 13:10

Kyle you are so rite,this for sure is a risky endeavor. something I would not do

VomFelsenHof

by VomFelsenHof on 31 October 2006 - 14:10

If the female does not have puppies, and she was bred in Germany, the stud owner can offer you a rebreeding for free, or half of your money back, in cases where no litter was born. IF you lose the puppies, meaning was there blood, etc. inside her crate upon arrival or she loses them after she arrived, the stud owner owes NOTHING, because the dog was bred, became pregnant, and the stress (or whatever the trigger was) that caused her to abort the litter is not his fault.

by grauerschaeferhund on 31 October 2006 - 14:10

She came from a well known kennel in the Czech Republic. I am still in nagotiation with the kennel; so for the time being I wont name the kennel.There was no blood in the crate when she arrived. Vom FelsenHof; By half the money, are you talking about the stud fee for breeding? BTW, thanks to all of you for responding!

by SGBH on 31 October 2006 - 14:10

Normally, from folks I talk to in Germany, the price you pay for a pregnant female is based on the quick recoupment(is that a word?) of your investment, being able to sell puppies in a few months after investing your money. One common price I have heard is $10,000.00. The pitch is you can get all your money back when you sell the litter, then subsequent litters are "all profit". That is fine if the plan works. If you are like me, something always "happens" and the plan "a" never unfolds without a hitch. Assuming you paid something in that area, now you are offered a puppy(which I have never paid more than 900 Euro(1200USD) for)). After the shipping, you are nowhere, C-L-O-S-E to the same price you paid for the orginal pregnant female. Even if you are offered half the stud fee, that is even less value than receiving a puppy. I think a better deal would be, I get to send the female back over for a free breeding during her next heat cycle, or better yet a partial payment given to me, because the orginal "plan" that included me recouping my money has now gone south. You are now paying for a dog, just a dog, and not a dog and litter. The price of the litter "plan" minus the price of the female, should be your refund. If proof can be offered that the Dam was in fact pregnant when she was put on the plane, then the breeder/former owner, may be even LESS responsible for the course of events that occured. Of course this is just an opinion. For what it's worth, everyone takes it for granted that putting a pregnant dog on a plane is "perfectly" normal(and safe), is to say the least, an assumption on their part. The effects of "mechanical pressurization" has effects on objects and living beings, at altitude. Pregnant dogs are not immune from these "effects", regardless of personal opinion. Stephen

by Kougar on 31 October 2006 - 14:10

From what I have seen from other situations - you loose - Example - know of a situation where breeder here imported a well bred female, supposed to be bred and got nothing, nada, zip, zero. Sure - offer of return to her male - shipping 2 ways????? way more than stud fee - not worth the hassle and abuse for 200 or 400 euros. Supposed to get puppy and situation deteriorated so breeder was totally out.





 


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