How do you price you working line puppies? - Page 5

wscott00 I agree,There have been times SChH3,V rated,pronounced dogs that will not engage in the blind or have been run off of the field.I want dogs that will protect My family and myself first.I will not own a dog that will only bite a sleeve.

I have to respond is this an after effect from a Thanksgiving hang over> How do you justify all that you write about your knowledge and to give advise to the newcomers?About the SCHh GSD training, here and Germany!! I am amazed to read from Echo,Keeps and others how fast they reverse there attitude when some one else comes to a significant degree of criticisms about the GSD- SCHH- VA- V- SG & KKL1a issues. What are we saying anyway(or you)Greetings von Charlotte do- respond : )

Babe ,is your question directed at me?

Babe, Not reversing anything, I beleive Titles are a good thing. However I do not beleive they are the end all. and that is just my OP. Not advising anyone !!!

Because you sight an example of a dog that slid through the system doesn't make the system invalid. Walter, look at Echo's stuff and then you can see the type of program that endorses your philosophy. You can breed whatever you want, but don't bitch when people are attacking the breed because of puppy milling these dogs. Show some responsibility to the breed.

wscott not necessarily but it may have stirred something up in you as well.I am just baffled about the message there is out there what is the point?If you all want to know why?? Research is still available.And there is a strong reason for an evaluation of breeding two GSD together because you want to get a better prodigy then there parents and in order to get that you need to choose a better male or female.You can have a housewife as your female but you want to get a great male so you can produce a model for keepsake(future breeding)So regardless of agreement or not everyone has to strife if breeding is in the future that it is from a KKL1a with all the testing needed and done to get a great offspring in the future.That in my opinion is a must.Money is not an issue as long as you represent Den Deutschen Schaefer Hund in the way he or she is suppose to be Loyal,Protective and great Company. Greetings Charlotte

Babe I am not sure what you mean about(" Keeps and others how fast they reverse there attitude when some one else comes to a significant degree of criticisms about the GSD- SCHH- VA- V- SG & KKL1a issues.") I have never reversed my attitude about anything.I love the GSD's I stated what kind of GSD I prefer.I don't need to check with you or anyone else about my preference.You don't have to like my opinion,you don't have to agree with my opinion.However,it is what it is,my opinion!!!!!!

1st of all, i dont bitch when people attack the breed. why, because i dont care. i dont care if folks attack the breed, or dont want any puppy i produce. thats because when ever i do a breeding (which wont be for a while if ever again) its for me. i breed not because i want to improve the breed or be the saviour of he GSD as so many people do. i breed because i want something specific. i dont think the system is invalid because a few dogs have sliped thru. i think the system is invalid when someone can buy a dog from europe w/ a title (on paper) that cant work. the system becomes less valid when said breeder breeds these dogs and passes them off as the best GSD ever bred. it looses a little validity when breeding the finest GSD's from european bloodlines has become a cottage industry. its less valid when lesser and lesser dogs are able to pass, when dogs fail 2 and 3 times because they cant engage, when dogs can only pass on their home field w/ there personal helper, who drives really soft, turns his back to the judge and gives 2 soft stick hits. (we've all seen this, even if we didnt know it at the time) much like the US economy Sch. is based on blind faith (to those who have not seen a dog work, or know what they are looking at) faith that this dog is what it should be, faith that this dog meets a minimum standard which is higher than everyone elses. fatih that the dog is sound in body and mind, courageous, obedient and if prefer fearless. So how can i have blind faith in a system that allows the above mentioned dogs pass. Im not saying the system is invalid, only that i no longer have blind faith that a dog w. titles is what it should be. I dont have faith in a score book w. a few pen strokes, no faith in a breeder that claims to have the fines european bloodlines, no faith that a 2 random dogs will produce what it want just because they are titled. im saying i have faith in what i see, if i see a dog i like w/ out titles id breed to it before a dog w/ a few scores in his book. Im saying I along w/ countless other no longer have blind faith in the system because SH*T dogs slip thru. and much like our economy, when the blnd faith is no longer there it will all come tumbling down.

babe, i think that titles and KKl are very good things, however i would never include a dog based solely on its titles, just like i would not exclude a dog due to a lack of titles. i think that the level of dog that is able to pass these days has gone down hill, therefore i would like to personally see or work any dog i buy or breed. i think the above post explains why i no longer hold titles in such high regards

I am back from my break.To answere ,yes you do have rights to have your opinion about this subject that is why we call this democracy hurray.But don't get lost in all of that let me explain what I mean in this.First I am only interested to breed once a year and when I do I pick the male for my female that can and will bring my future pups to a higher level, with I have to admit a chance to send him/her for competition.I am lucky I guess because I fly to Germany(my father lives in Germ.) to evaluate and to see there performances(temperament,training,bitework and so on) of the studs.When I find him,I will test him and look for his abilities to upper my expectations.Yes you are right there are some SCHH 1, 2&3 there for political reason made it in Germany and also in the States there should never have made to what they got evaluated for. Believe me they did not slip to the crack hahaha. In the States it is a course of giving and pleasing the judges and if you have bought from the kennel owners there have great parallels to the top(Judge) you made it.You have the right to choose with or without title it is what you as an individual can do, and should. I hope that I don't give an impression that because I choose to select my way it should be your way,no because then it would not surf the purpose of this tread I just don't want the newer ones to get the wrong impression there is so much to learn and it would be nice to put it less in to the negative mode and be more to inspire a mode.Ok any other questions please keep them coming.I will try to answere.Ps remember English is my forth languish I may have misunderstood. Greetings Charlotte