USA or WDA? Breed Dynamics In The US - Page 14

Folks, why all the bickering....everyone just let this play out. Everyone's point is valid and therefore worthy of owning. The AKC is the FCI rep in this country....period. They are not going to abandon the GSDCA .....the breeding requirements in the USA are the same as the other countries in South America(Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Venezuela ,etc. ....so the FCI is not going to demand anything out of AKC that they are no making other countries do.(people forget that the breed clubs in most countries establish their criteria for more stringent rules in conformance with FCI, but many many countries's breed clubs don't require IPO and breed surveying.) Now here's the irony, as long as all of USCA member's dogs ARE registered with AKC, the AKC remains the only voice the FCI is really going to listen to. Duh!!!   Some here can objectively figure this out, others are sheep and follow the party line, but the parallel organizations will continue even if WDA folds! Actually, WDA folding is the worse thing that can happen to the breed in this country, but that requires really objective processing and I don't expect that from even side.lol....and I do not favor either side over the other. I just look at facts, reality, precedents established throughout the world by FCI, and come to reasonable conclusions. The SV will tell the USCA anything they want to hear because they make revenue through the USCA at a time when registrations and numbers are declining in Germany. It will all work out eventually, really!

Great post Gustav, 
    I applauded The individual members and the organization of UScA for striving to adhere to the concept of the breed as it was originally intended, I believe a majority of the members of the WDA have the same goal. Please rethink the individual requirement  those of you with voting powers. I had written more but I wish to let Gustav's post stand , it gives me hope. I thought the original post dealt more to the effects of the JA in regards to the steering of the breed and not the JA itself.

Gustav is spot on.  AKC and GSDCA are the big dogs in town and will always necessarily remain so.  The question remains where in this reality the overwhelming minority that are WDA and UScA will fit.

And further to Gustav's point this will "play out."

That we have divergent views on how does not diminish the good intentions of members from either "side."

It has been a good discussion.  Thank you, all.

Kevin

Dog1,
I agree! Stupidity never ceases to amaze me!
I can tell you the most important thing that the JA accomplished.
It made people in both organizations start to think about what is really important to the future of this breed and which organizations do and don't promote what the GSD is supposed to be.
It really isn't about UScA vs. WDA.
It is about the choice between UScA and what it promotes for the GSD vs. GSDCA and what it promotes for the GSD.
The other thing to note here is that you seem to be more interested in making this in to a discussion about the JA.
Personally, I really don't care whether that rule stays or goes, but, I do support the UScA and their right to have that rule as it was voted on and approved twice at consecutive GBM's.
Time will tell how this plays out.
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As for the FCI, AKC and the GSDCA don't be so sure.
As soon as the WDA is gone, so is the GSDCA from the WUSV.
In the German Shepherd world that is really all that matters.
Also, the WUSV pulls a lot of weight with the FCI, especially the FCI Working Dog Commission.
Why the GSDCA wants to be involved with WUSV makes zero sense to me.
The GSDCA should stick to what they do and leave the rest of the GSD world to itself.
As for the FCI, think about what happened with RSV2000.
They were granted provisional status with the VDH in 2009 which made them a part of the FCI.
The FCI is willing to allow more than one national breed club.
The AKC even accepts RSV2000 registration papers now. They have to.
Again concerning the FCI, there has been a lot of groundwork laid by the AWDF with the FCI Working Commission.
You may have noticed that the AWDF sends the team from the U.S. to the FCI-IPO Chmpionship, not the AKC.
If you think this is a battle that can't be won think again.

Maybe I am missing some aspect of what is going on here and I fully agree that anyone interested in keeping the GSD any semblance of what it was intended to be reject any influence from GSDCA. But the inferences that WDA promotes GSDCA polices or dogs could not be further from the truth and seems nothing more than a talking point for some.

WDA accepts the FCI standard, not the AKC/GSDCA one. Events are judged by SV judges and dogs meet SV requirements, not GSDCA. Clubs and members I have been associated with work very hard toward promoting the SV dog in both conformation events and trials. I have yet to meet any WDA  member or club having any resemblance to what goes on in GSDCA nor any sign that is changing. Nor do I see that one club, UScA or WDA, is doing anything different as far as the dogs/policies they promote. Members from WDA are competing on just as high a level as UScA. I hope it remains that way.

jmo,
Rik

Rik, people are so passionate in their beliefs that they often skew or omit reality....the reality is WDA wants the same things as USCA/SV . The problem is the GSDCA for many, but the WDA has to be maligned to get to the "big" dog. 
There are many many countries in the FCI just like the AKC/GSDCA, nothing is going to change with that equation, partially because as far as AKC is concerned;  they represent both of you because your dogs are registered with them! And they choose GSDCA as the breed rep in this country. The many other countries, ((all of North and South America, Asia, India,China, etc.....all have schemes similar to AKC in reference to this breed)...the international community is not going to upset the apple cart because of our internal politics.
As for the WUSV, they are coming to this country next year, I was in Cinncinati in 2008, why would they entertain coming back here in five years ? It can't be  the AKC/GSDCA bringing them in because that would be inconsistent with them being against AKC/GSDCA. Is it because of WDA??? You see some of these premises don't make logical sense....so all I can do is follow precedent and actions taken as opposed internal politics. There are always facts and wishes in situations, I tend to rely on the facts to form my opinions and wishes on....again this will work itself over time, that I sincerely believe.

BTW, if the WUSV got rid of the GSDCA because the WDA no longer existed they would have to use reasoning that applies to Countless other German Shepherd breed clubs in very influential countries. Practically all of the countries outside of Europe......if you believe that I got a bridge here in Jersey to sell you.....lol

In total agreement with Gustav's post.  GSDCA needs the WDA to maintain any semblance of credibility with WUSV.  The 2013 WUSV world championship will be successful despite GSDCA because of the effort of other organizations, namely, WDA.  GSDCA will surely claim all credit for any success.  Visit the Directors page and notice the revolving door of names - every one anti-german dog for many years.
Is there anyone who actually belives that GSDCA will change its attitude toward our kind of dog? The ultimate hypocracy - to accept accolades for giving lip service promoting the dog they despise.

Again, no one says that those in the WDA aren't after the same basic goals as those in the UScA.
There are differences in the two, though. Look at the events pages of each organization.
Are you aware of what a UScA competitor has to accomplish to qualify for the World Team Selection event as opposed to what a WDA member has to do?

The WUSV gave the 2013 IPO Championship to the GSDCA because it is the 100th anniversary of the GSDCA. It had originally been given to another country. It was a kind, but, regretted gesture.
I hope the GSDCA/WDA gets its act together. The event is less than a year away. It will be an embarrassment to the entire GSD community in the U.S. if they don't.
I wonder if the people running the event have secured tracking grounds yet? I wonder if they have even thought to look yet? Have they found a suitable stadium to use in Philly yet?
Do they have blocks of hotels near the stadium secured for the competitors yet? Have they found suitable places for the competitors to train for the 10-14 days prior to the event? Have they even thought to???
I could go on and on.
My guess is that the answer is no because most of the people in charge of running this event have never even attempted to train a dog like those they will be hosting in less than a year.
It's an f'n joke!!!

Hey Rik,
"I have yet to meet any WDA  member or club having any resemblance to what goes on in GSDCA nor any sign that is changing."
Are you sure about this?
Are you saying that none of the WDA clubs aren't also GSDCA clubs?
That they don't also hold GSDCA conformation shows or other breed events like obedience trials?