BREEDER TO STAY AWAY FROM, VOM RON GERMAN SHEPHERDS IN NC - Page 14

The dog posted in the YouTube video acts like it has had the damn hell beat out of it.  Either by someone or something..

Whew!....don't know what to do.....I got this puppy out of a von Ron stud. Now even though hips and elbows are prelimmed fine, and the temperament is what I consider superior, after reading this thread I wonder if I should let the puppy go and save the heartache......such hard decisions, and with the sire being OFA fair and only SCH 1 , I 'm sure the temperament and hips are going to go to pot.....whoa is me! I really should have done better homework.
oh Well, I guess I have to live with my mistake!

Cliff,
If it becomes to much for you with everything going to pot and all that heartache I may be able to take him.  Let me know, I am always willing to help.  

Slamdunc, you would love him....your kind of dog!    Social, especially with my grand kids, but definitely a LE candidate....lol

I think a lot of people fail to acknowledge that there are certain inherent negatives in this breed brought on by the inception of the breed, AND breeding practices that promote singular aspects of the breed instead of balance and versatility. The best remedy to this, IMO, is indepth knowledge of the breed, training, and lineage of the dogs being used. Certifications and titles, or show ring ratings, will not adequately substitute for this, in you plan to be a successful breeder. Now many successful breeders have all the titles and certs AND the knowledge base to be good breeders. BUT, today there are many breeders that because of titles and certs think they can be successful breeders with limited knowledge of understanding the complexity of hips, genetics, purpose, and legacy of the breed. This in effect nullifies the advantages of the certs and titles, that's why so many people are getting dogs out of hip certified dogs and experience hip issues, or dogs from highly titles parents with nervy squeamish character......there is no substitute for knowledge to be good breeder in this breed. Quality comes from experience, quantity comes from mass production.jmo

Gustav,

a titled dog is not immediately a breeding stock. That is why I ask breeders very specific questions aboout the breeding stock and I find many times that they have no freacking clue!..that is a moment I tell them thank you and move on to someone who has a clue.

So just because a dog is titled is not a selling point for me anyway. I would take a puppy from an untitled dog, but that dog would be worked by someone I know recognizes the qualities and the shortcoming the particular dog has to offer... but that is me, I work the dogs. For some people it is the names in pedigrees, the color and the believe that titles are the major deal braker.


I still would say people who work their stock have a huge advantage of knowing their dogs, rather than breeding from titles. The three, four generations of consistency in health, drives and yes even looks, speak more than ones Novel written on their web site anouncing their greatness... .

Agreed!

I own a male dog from one of Joan Ro's female breeding dog that has Unilateral elbow dysplasia. Had it surgically repaired. The dog has OFA good hips and a prisine R elbow. The vet said it could be from an injury or genetic. he had a great recovery and performs exceptionally well. He won't say 100% either or. The female breeder was not OFA certified for either elbows or hips though another party who owns the dog said it was done and they were OK in their opinion. I'm so sick of defensive breeders that I'm just going to suck it up and am in the process of forgetting about. The dog is great and I doubt that I will ever get another dog that is so good in every aspect. Hard, tough, and a great temperament. Giving her the benefit of the doubt I have concluded shit happens. Dogs cannot and never will churn out 100 % genetic free dogs. I won't list the dogs as it would be unfair. I spoke my anger on another forum and it won't accomplish anything. Life is too short not too forgive people for what they don't control over.