Where does the buck stop! - Page 1

I,m sure this is going to piss some people off but so be it.


                                                                                                                After the last 7 days of seeing well breed GSD,s surrendered,lost,stolen,disgaurded at what point is the breeder responsible for what they created?. There needs to be a point of responsibility dictated here. I think all sales of puppies and dogs need to include a microchip that has the breeders name,address and contact number in the pup or dog before there papers can be transfered to the new owner. The breeder has to take some kind of responsibility for what they breed. 

When does the buyer take responsibility too though Bob?
It's a two way street.

I understand Z but, There needs to be some type of final backstop and it will have to be with the one who created it. It,s a microchip it could easliy be programed to hold the line of purchase. I know it would be a nitemare to try to impliment but look at all the well breed dogs getting dumped. I donate money to my local shelter and my taxes help pay for it also and I won,t stop donating. Some time when I hear all the whinning about the orginizations pushing for stronger breeding laws I really have to say that we are creating our own problem at times.

Your never going to stop people breeding dogs(any animals) .But the next time the morgage is due maybe there should be more thought to " Gotta get another litter down to pay for the groceries,morgage,new car,hot tub ect...

 

As the buyer I feel personally responsible for every dog that comes through my home.  I've sold a dog, re-homed a dog, and fostered many dogs so I'm not hoarding a house full of dogs, but I never take in a dog that I couldn't keep permanently (or at least support financially) if that's what it came to, and that even includes my foster dogs.  I don't think it's always best for a breeder to get first dibs on a dog either.  If they are the best home I'll offer the dog back to them but they don't just automatically get a dog that I've put years of work into and know better than anyone. I sold one of my dogs and the breeder had first right of refusal so I made them aware of my intention immediately and they agreed with who I chose to sell the dog too rather than buy it themselves.  I would take the dog back in a second, heck even buy him back, if his new owner could not keep him for whatever reason.  Maybe I'm just an oddball but I've always accepted full responsibility for my dogs (I buy them on full registration, no strings attached, don't need special "contracts" and "guarantees" or whatever....if the dog has an issue I will deal with it). I personally would not be OK with other peoples' microchips in my dog.  When I buy a dog only *I* have any legal claim to it.  That's just how I roll.  Granted if I think the breeder is a scumbag they won't see any of my money anyway.

The microchips in both of my GSDs are programmed with the breeder's contact information and not mine. Both dogs were microchipped by her/his breeder as puppies; both breeders wanted to be the first point of contact if "their" dogs ended up in a shelter. I know for one of my dog's breeder that this has happened in the past despite having a "return to breeder" clause in the purchase contract.

Bob,
Mine all do. I tattoo and chip. All chips can either A. be traced directly to be through the manufacturer or B. remain in my name.
I buy the chips directly from the manufacturer. I was told by the manufacturer that regardless of whether or not the new owner registers
the chip, it will always trace back to me.I would take any of mine back in a skinny minute.

Melissa

I agree Bob. EVERY breeder is responsible for every dog they produce. FOREVER, not just when they are cute, or young enough to be resold, if taken back.
I have said it before, and I will say it again. I WILL ALWAYS TAKE BACK ONE OF MY DOGS, ALWAYS.
It is so sickening for a person that bred a dog to say, oh, I wish I could help, BUT I have no room right now to keep them azt this time!
(But you sure had room to make um).
I will help a dog I didn't breed,ALWAYS.
If only there were a way to trace some of these dogs in the pounds, The breeders should hold a spot on the wall of shame if they turned their back on their dogs!

I also agree, when i had my litter of Am. bulldogs I had the pups i placed microchipped. I also did my best to stay in contact with my puppies. When something happened to them i was there to offer advice, even take one dog to my vet because the owner's vet could not figure out what was going on with their dog. My folk sent me pix of their dogs with the family, dogs havin fun. I even offered money back if the dogs got a title in something. ( no one ever took me p on that. ) I was there for them when two of the pups passes away. They wanted another dog from me, but i'm not breeding any thing these days. And my new hopeful is several years away from even being conisered for breeding. I would take a dog back today (at 10 years of age) if someone called and said they had my dog and it was in a shelter, or they had to give her up.
Wish more people would think about the dog for longer then 8 weeks.
Fry

kitkat,
I agree with you and Bob, if you made it, and it needs help, 
you damn well better step up and help in some manner.

I read the thread about the dog Brix v Boselager and it makes me
angry. Here the breeder solicits funds from kind hearted people
to 'save her BooBah', then, after surgery is done, she SELLS the dog?

In that time frame she also managed to scrape up the money to
import a couple DDR puppies, sell one, breed a litter as well I'm sure..
but here the 3yr old 'Precious BooBah' now needs a new home due
to some extenuating circumstances. And where is the piece of shit
breeder? Well, she's busy doing a frozen AI to a long dead DDR dog.
And selling floppy eared older puppies. And threatening Ghostly with
legal action if her name is mentioned? She can't or won't step up and
help in the placement of the dog.  Wow, class act there!


I'm neither dead set for the breeder or the buyer, it's a tricky road to travel
at times. I believe right is right, and wrong is wrong. We have placed puppies
we purchased that didn't turn out as hoped for different reasons, we have
as a courtesy offered them back to the breeder for the simple cost of shipping,
but they have always agreed with and trusted us in our final decision for the dog.
Puppies that didn't pan out were placed for the simple cost of spay or neuter. 
We didn't hope to get 'our money back', we knew going in that a chance had to
be taken in our purchase. Sometimes, thats just the way the cookie crumbles..

Breeder responsibility is driven by ethics, morals and love for the breed and very much by buyers due diligence and voting with their dollars for better dogs from better breeders.  
 I personably believe that in general buyers as whole are just as responsible for the quality of the dogs produced by the country, culture, club and so on as the breeder. 
 Thus I believe that responsibility  is 50:50 = breeder : buyer.