Good news? SV soon to be splitted! - Page 4

Some of what has been said is patently false. Strong heads and substance are NOT the norm among "working lines". At the same time the major show lines bear these qualities in plenty. I believe that there are certain breeders who have gone their own way, but most strive to keep a balance between structure and temperament. There are some elements of breeding for structure that can be rather tricky such as balanced angulation. There are certain breeders who have for many years bred dogs with overangulated rears. These dogs rarely receive top placements as they tend to be loose in the hocks and do not move correctly. The major reason that deeply positioned rears have become an issue is the struggle to produce better angulated fronts. While there is some correlation the rear angulation comes easier and hence can become excessive. To suggest that Germans were envious of the Am. lines extreme type is simply foolish. While trends develop as a result of preferences among top judges, most judging criteria still have good reason behind them. Something lacking in the AKC standard. To say that Raiser makes outrageous statements to get peoples attention may be correct, but whatever his motivation he remains an embarassment, and so has little credibility and is unlikely to ever wield much power again.

Some of what has been said is patently false. Strong heads and substance are NOT the norm among "working lines". At the same time the major show lines bear these qualities in plenty. I believe that there are certain breeders who have gone their own way, but most strive to keep a balance between structure and temperament. There are some elements of breeding for structure that can be rather tricky such as balanced angulation. There are certain breeders who have for many years bred dogs with overangulated rears. These dogs rarely receive top placements as they tend to be loose in the hocks and do not move correctly. The major reason that deeply positioned rears have become an issue is the struggle to produce better angulated fronts. While there is some correlation the rear angulation comes easier and hence can become excessive. To suggest that Germans were envious of the Am. lines extreme type is simply foolish. While trends develop as a result of preferences among top judges, most judging criteria still have good reason behind them. Something lacking in the AKC standard. To say that Raiser makes outrageous statements to get peoples attention may be correct, but whatever his motivation he remains an embarassment, and so has little credibility and is unlikely to ever wield much power again.

What Dr. Raiser said in the LA Times article was right on the money.

Raiser was Breed Warden for, what, two years? During that time, what did he accomplish with this opportunity to exert great influence? Did he ever issue any specific critiques of the Sieger Show results? Did he try to promote a more comprehensive Schutzdienst for the Sieger Show or stricter enforcement of the existing test? Did he ever discuss the various working and/or conformational strengths or weaknesses of specific show lines? Did he ever discuss the results of the BSP and identify competitors with both excellent working ability and good conformation? Did he ever mention what lines - working or show - he thought had the potential to improve the breed? Did he ever make any breeding recommendations other than "Bring in the Malinois!"? Did he do any of these things? I can find no evidence that he did, but would be happy to be shown otherwise. But if he did not, then quite frankly he didn't do his job and wasted everyone's time. And for the working-lines folks, he threw you under the bus too when he made his Malinois comments, so I'd be hesitant to make him your hero.

LOL that was funny. I don't feel thrown under a bus so to speak. Maybe I am just a little tougher skinned than some other people. As for being a hero, I don't keep up with all he has said and done, so I wouldn't go that far. I give him promts for wanting to make a change, where he sees one is needed and for having the balls to stand up and try. Sometimes nicey nicey doesn't get things done. How many years have the same old farts been running the SV? Maybe it's time for a shakeup.

The question remains - did he actually "stand up and try," or did he simply throw temper tantrums? If it's just the latter, the SV would have done better to tell him to come rant and rave here and made Fred Lanting the Breed Warden instead.

Well if he had done things smoothly, you wouldn't have heard about it. Unfortunatly the news that makes waves, is what gets spread. I don't know what's going on in Raisers head, so I can't say for sure but it seems like he is trying to get media attention, good or bad. Sometimes just getting the attention of the masses will start a change.

I have know idea what he did when he was breed warden, but chances are............if he made statements, or did try to change something, we over here wouldn't have heard about it. Only when things get radical, does it get any attention. I was the National SS last year and the SV judge made a statement at the judges dinner that I've never heard referred to again..he said "I don't know what you show people are breeding for but you need to get in touch with the working people and get this straightened out." Now if he had made a similar comment about out crossing. It would have been plastered somewhere. Donna

During his term as breed warden the big time breeders spent most os their time trying to undermind or get rid of him. Interesting reading: http://community.livejournal.com/gsd_dsh/1526.html

Jantie, sorry for not answering sooner, but I just found that. Too many forums, too little time! I see that you have received a (somewhat crude) translation already, so there is no need anymore for one. I prefer not to get to hung up on that issue. For the German speaking members, I can recommend the following thread: http://www.dsh-biz.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=872&sid=&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=&page=1 It is somewhat more civilized than at Schaeferhund.net. I believe you have to be a registered user to read in that part of the forum. Another good thread on the same forum would be: http://www.dsh-biz.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=862&boardid=6&sid= I am mentioning that because it is connected to the whole Raiser mess. Apparantly, Raiser made that statement after his favorite Ursula Zabel lost the candidacy for SV president by such a wide margin to incumbent Wolfgang Henke (who btw is a very nice and easy-going person). Raiser in his narcisstic thinking just can't deal with defeat and the realization that he is not as well liked as he wanted. It is painfully obvious that he acts like a child who did not get his way. I heard that he vowed to destroy the SV, after he lost his suit. Also, his "friend" Ursula Zabel" announced a couple of days after loosing the election that a new breed organization is to be formed. Are these the kind of people who have the betterment and wellbeing of our breed in mind? If they can't take over an organization, they destroy it? To understand all these concerns, a general knowledge of German regulations and culture is in order. We Germans love to form interest groups and clubs (lol). But any club will have issues with politics and corruption, we all know that. Even if Raiser succeeds with his venture, it won't be long before the first voices of discontentment will be heard, because of a small elite group of members. That is normal and our human way of life. Deal with it and try to better it, or get out!!! Yes, we do have problems in our breed and I believe the SV is trying to do something about it. In addition, the SV (and its OGs) have been battling the authorities for years to keep our GSD off the dangerous breeds list. People like Helmut Raiser will destroy all these efforts sooner or later. Dangerous breed legislature is a very touchy subject and differs from German state to state. The SV is the competent organization and should remain strong. This can only be achieved by trying to work out the different views and having the best for our breed in mind. Personal issues and jealousy should have no place here!