A END OF THE COMMON SENSE AND GOOD DOGS. - Page 1

ATTENTION:
FCI working commission for cynology developed this proposal to the Bureau FCI

Owners and handlers of dogs, trainers, trainer, who demonstrably (eg, video, photographs, witness confirmed ...) train dogs using forbidden tools, such as pinch collar, electric collar or other abuse perpetrated on a dog, they will be prohibited to compete for 24 mo, or enter a competition. This prohibition applies to all competitions  organized by FCI member organizations and clubs FCI.
For judges and officials who demonstrably (eg, video, photographs, witness confirmed ...) train dogs using forbidden tools, such as pinch dog collar, electric collar and other devices  or other abuse perpetrated on a dog, they will, with immediate effect not be allowed to officiate  all official FCI races  ( they   will not be able to judge, organize, etc.). This prohibition also applies to races organized by member organizations and clubs FCI. Furthermore, this prohibition applies to all breeding and training events and breed surveys. In addition, during  a period of 24 months from the offense they will be forbidden to register a stud dog in their possession in the stud book. This prohibition will apply to admission of all bitches.
Ban will come into effect from the date of publication in the national official web site or the web FCI.

If the dog owner, trainer, coach, trainer or official in his country violates  the  law on protection of animals and will be under the criminal law of the country convicted , then the above penalties are applicable  to such individuals  for a minimum period of 36 months.

These provisions will come into force by the FCI from 1 the following month.
The purpose  for this proposal is that in canine sports are  used positive training methods. Training methodology does not require any violence, this trend is supported by scientific research on dog behavior. Performance of dogs in races and in competitions FCI must show a positive image that will testify also about the used of  positive methods of training. The judges  on  both national and international level trained and will be  asked to be able to discern good positive behavior, assess it  and evaluate it.


Application  of positive methods will largely help to top trainers, this trend is gradually coming into other sporting activities, It is necessary to punish inappropriate behavior  and distance from it.
The purpose of the canine sport is to work with a dog and train it , in harmony with the dog.​

Article is translated by Google and Hans. Original article is here:
http://www.pespritelcloveka.cz/kategori ... i-vycviku-

A notable German SV judge once said to me 'A dog that needs not a pinch collar is not a dog, it is a cat!' 

Why should it be the end of good dogs? Your title would seem to imply that the only way of producing 'good dogs' is by using these methods, which is frankly nonsense.  You are suggesting that good dogs can't be produced using positive training methods only?   If that is the case and someone cannot produce a well trained dog without those particular aids, then one must look at the trainers.
Without knowing much of the background, it is difficult to determine what has provoked this, although it may be that mis-use of such devices is bringing dog sport into disrepute, and if that is the case then it should be addressed. As has been mentioned in many of the debates about electric collars etc, they are fine if used properly. Perhaps there have been too many instances occurring of them being used improperly, which has brought this about? Perhaps somebody here knows more background?

 

Prager; thank you for the important post! The  process for learning in nature for wild canines should be considered. The ''alpha'' will use force and pressure on their followers for the greater good of the pack. Sometimes doggie bon-bons will not work. This is notice to our political leaders to get involved. These foreign created rules  can have a terrible effect on our programs. The debate is not about what methods are proper, but how should we react to rules which are just plain ill advised.

I'm with Abby on this one, if the dog is not manageable without using pain giving devices, either the dog or the trainer has a problem.  

Margaret N-J
 

It will strengthen the divide between sport/recreation and working dogs....that statement is not making a judgement on the right or wrong ...just pointing out what will result. In this situation, I am sooooo glad to be here in America!

 The ''alpha'' will use force and pressure on their followers for the greater good of the pack.

Dogs are not wolves, and dominance theory has long since been debunked

But this would be an international ruling, would it not?  All FCI clubs would have to comply.

Simply dreadful translation, Google (and Prager!).  Sorry Hans but it is;  it's
really hard to make sense of anything more than the basic premise.  Also
I'm a little suspicious - you posted on 3 April, but which day did you first
see this item ?

I'm with Abby on this one, if the dog is not manageable without using pain giving devices, either the dog or the trainer has a problem.

I have a rescue dog that is used to pulling against a collar, as she was tied up all the time. She is also dog-aggressive and very strong. If anyone wants to try working her without a prong, well, they're welcome to try!  But you'd better make sure she's wearing a muzzle!

I hope to eventually be able to use a flat collar on her, but right now, she totally ignores even a choke chain!


In an ideal world, no dog would need anything but a flat collar, but there are no perfect dogs and no perfect trainers. 

I DO believe that the more skilled and experienced a trainer is, the less force or compulsion he or she will need to use to get results.  But I've worked with dogs that need to be (fignuratively) hit over the head with a 2x4 before you can even get their attention!!

Xeph, your statement is misleading. I studied animal behaviour at the university level, and have kept up with developments in the field. EVERY animal that lives in groups has a 'pecking order', where one (usually male) animal will be the alpha, and the other animals will all have their rank beneath him. This 'pack structure' is necessary to keep order and prevent fights. It also helps the group respond to emergencies and keeps them safe  I am not going to let the latest flavour-of-the-month positive pet trainers convince me that over 100 years of research in ethology (the study of animal behaviour) is totally WRONG!   
 
I agree that some people carry the dominance thing too far, and alpha roll their dogs at the least hint of what they think is 'dominance' behaviour. Your relationship with your dog is not going to fall apart if you let it go through the door ahead of you, but at the same time, dogs DO need to know their position in the family (pack). Most training problems trainers have to deal with stem from the dog being allowed to do whatever it wants, without any boundaries being set by the pack leader.

(P.S. I was not the one who 'disliked' Xeph's post. She is entitled to her opinion on this.)