Unusual use of an e-collar? - Page 3

"Some dogs need more then an E collar on the neck."

Yes--like another trainer who is willing to work through an issue, instead one that would rather have a quick fix.

I have nothing against the use of an E collar as it is intended to be used. I have several models, and I've used them when that's the tool that is called for--and yes, I've tested the effects of each on my own arm so I'd know how it felt. Funny how none of the user manuals that come with E collars make any mention of how to fit the device for use around the dog's abdomen, near the dog's genitalia, on the dog's tail or near the dog's anus.  The manuals do suggest for dogs that are unresponsive to the collar as a result of poor or inconsistent contact between the collar probes and the dog's skin, it may be necessary to shave a small patch of the hair off the neck where probes meet, if the dog has a dense coat, or to wet the hair on the neck of short-haired, slick-coated dogs at the point of probe contact to improve conductibility.   

I've yet to come across any such thing being marketed as intended for such purposes, however, and I highly doubt that they are being manufactured with that use in mind. I'm quite willing to stand corrected, however.  If there are E 'collars' being manufactured specifically for use on the dog's tail or elsewhere on the dog's body, I would be interested in knowing the manufacturer and the models of such devices, as I'd like to read the manuals that come with those 'tools'.

There is no shortage of dogs to be trained for any and every purpose known to man--there's no justification, IMO, for improper use of an E collar to make a dog that is adamantly unwilling to comply with the handler's direction when perfectly willing dogs are euthanized daily as unwanted. To misuse an E collar in in an attempt to create a suitable candidate for law enforcement or assistance work is still abuse, though with good intentions; but to do so for the sake of sport is simply heinous in my eyes.

 

I've seen an e-collar used around a dogs abdomen once but it was in the context of teaching the dog to stay within the confines of an invisible fence.

We did use an e-collar in an unusual way in training a few weeks ago...we put it around a new, heavy-handed handler's wrist...lol...

Keith, that second example you cited is one I could possibly support....

Hexe...I dont get into debates with others about my beliefs or how I train, you can see that by the amount of posts I made, but, in reference to your question about other places to place the E collar. Yes, they make bands, much like the ones they use on male dogs to prevent them from marking in the house...you take the collar box itself out of the band, place it in the band you want to use, around the abdomen or the base of tail, and voila...you have an E collar for THAT location.
There is no written rule that it HAS to be placed around the dog's throat or it becomes a heinous act. The intensity of the dog's temperament, the trainer and his/her experience with training and using an E collar, the results you are trying to achieve, all play a huge role in the use of the tool.
If someone has a problem with the use of one, then by all means, dont use it. If someone else wants to learn how to properly use one to train their dog to do obedience, break dance or do sport, great. One last point I want to make before I bid this thread adieu...to try to make/force a dog to do something that its genetics cannot support, is beyond f'ed up, its abuse and those are the "trainers" I would love to meet with a cattle prod in my hand. Like everything else in life, proper selection comes before anything else when you are looking for an animal to train in ANY discipline.
 

This statement was made earlier. "Unfortunately, practical applications fall short in my experience, which is thankfully limited." I'm not picking on this person as she is knowledgeable on many things. The "LIMITED" portion is what you should look at here. We know the adage of opinions. You will get them from people who have never used a E-collar, never seen one used don't know how to properly use one as well as those that know how too use one very well. Unfortunately you will not know which is which on a written forum. You'll here people say things like E-collars aren't natural for a dog. Like a tug on a collar is?  An E-collar is a tool just like a leash and choke chain, prong,,, It's knowing how to use them and what is best for you and your dog that will determine what you use.The best suggestion I have for you as I've given to many here is to go to a seminar that is being held by someone that knows how to use it. Then make up your own mind as to whether you wish to use one.

P/S: I find the post about the person getting shock with the horse trimmers an inaccurate correlation to an E-collar. The electricity for a wall socket can kill you. The electricity from a collar, at the highest setting, can not.

Also the word "STIM" has come to be used synonymously with an electric shock from the collar. There are actually collars (dogtra comes to mind) that have both controls. One button to shock with electric current and a stim button that only vibrates with no electric shock. I don't know how the person you mentioned was using it, but if it was on the belly and used on the VIBRATION/STIM setting it would be much like tickling motion with the finger that some use to teach a young dog to stand.

Okay, I may have been the only one in this but when I started reading the OP's post I immediately assumed it was one of the e-collars that vets use. I spent the whole time racking my brain as to why someone would need to put an e-collar on their dog's waist (and picturing it was quite silly too).

Not my dog, but just thinking how comical it was to imagine this being around a dog's waist instead.

It would look like a ballet dancer 

Margaret N-J

Now that would be abuse! Especially, on a boy dog. 

@ramgsd, I wasn't making a correlation of 110 from wall socket to an ecollar. The accuracy in my post is that since being electrocuted, I am extremely intolerant of any electric shock at all. One of the posters suggested putting ecollar on our own arm and see how painless...my point was that the degree of painlessness or how tolerable the shock from an ecollar is, would be relative to a person's experience. That correlates to a dog's tolerance, as well. And people who abuse the device, frying a dog over and over are undoubtedly causing damage to the dog.
Ecollars are a very valuable tool and give a responsible person a very long reach to their dog, which is not possible without it.

WOW... I wasn't really looking to make this into a debate on the pros/cons of e-collars or even if they should or should not be used.
I just happened across the photo while browsing the ads that scroll on the top. It was of a dog on the sleeve(possibly a long bite). I just couldn't think of what the purpose would be for using a set up like that on a dog. 
It's not my dog or my photo, & I do not know the people, so I will not post the photo. (for those that have pm'd me to see it) If you really want to see it, just watch the ads on top. It scrolls through pretty often.