IPO-R title - Page 1

I am a little miffed over this. USCA is not recognizing the IPO-R as a working title. However, I was told the SV did recognize it as a working title.
I wanted to get a V rating on my dog at a conformation show but now that USCA is saying no on the IPO-R not being a working title I won't be able to accomplish that.
I am saying not every dog is a biter & has the drive to do an IPO-1. So that is why there should be other working titles, that are equally important.
You saw how the world went nuts over the rescue dogs after 9/11. Well they are an important piece of the puzzle.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to petition USCA to recognize these dogs. I can assure you the training they have to go too is quite intense also.
Thanks,
Leslie

IPO is a breed suitability test.  If your GSD doesnt have the drive or ability to title IPO 1-3 then thats what it is. Lesser titles are not equally important because there are very few dogs that cannot achieve them.  I would say a GSD that cannot go IPO 1 is a very poor example of the breed considering how watered down the sport already is.  This isnt little league you dont get prizes for just showing up.  By all means get into something less stressful like dock diving or agility but dont equate that to a breed suitability test/title.
Once again we are talking GSDs right?  No drive or ability to bite = poor example of the breed.  A breed test that does not contain bitework is not complete.

Last thing we need is people running around with some pseudo ipo title and using that as an excuse to breed their dog.

Have you contacted Karen Mac Intyre at UScA? She is the national breed warden for UScA and very active with titling for IPO-R.
It was also my understanding that the SV has not recognized the IPO-R yet but was changing the requirements to acknowledge the IPO-R as a working title in 2014(?)..

Good Luck......keep us posted :)

 

There's always the HGH.

What is an IPO-R?

Rescue dog


Work in the gsd world is actually sport, sadly. schutzhund sport is held higher than dogs that do rescue work, tend herd, service dogs ect.........

half the service dogs in this country are horrible and nothing to be propagating.  They're akin to the self anointed PPD dogs we so often hear about :)  Herding dogs?  get and HGH, nothing wrong with that.  Rescue dogs? again, mostly self anointed titles given by owners that think there dog is more than it is.  And those that are working, great, doesn't mean they should be breeding.  and it's not about a sport, it's about an honest breeder being honest about their dogs.  They work their dogs fully and completely, mentally and physically and I'll say it over and over and over until the day I die, If you don't understand the importance of grip behavior and what it says about the temperament and nerves of a dog, you have no reason to be breeding anything.

You breed dogs that have everything and get dogs that can do anything.  Start excusing dogs that only have some stuff and you'll end up with dogs that do nothing.

You're not the first to ask something along these lines, look at this completely ignored post from 2010:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=444339-information-about-rh-and-litters-with-rh-parents-to-sar-homes

Actually this topic on Rettungshunde has come up here before and the quick answer is that USCA is not doing what Europe is doing and many are not familiar with the updated rules on top of that.  Bitework training is becoming a greater liability to working dog owners all over the USA and contrary to common belief there are not many IPO-3 dogs that can ACTUALLY track at a level equivalent to an RH2 (a SchH-3 800 paces track with articles is NOTHING like a 2000 paces RH track with 8 articles, while still needing to find an actual person), eventually the HGH and RH will have to be recognized in the same light in the USA as they are in Europe.  However, I don't want to get into the philosophical reasons about whether IPO is better than and HGH or RH, that will lead nowhere fast.  This discussion should focus on the RULES and how the OP can accomplish what they want within the rules, as far as I can tell USCA is doing this arbitrarily and is against whats going on around the world.

I've been told an HGH and RH-2 are equivalent to an IPO-3 and are eligible for a breed survey and show ratings.  In North America its still being called RH-1 and RH-2, but in Europe its RH-E, RH-A and RH-B.  To sum up what I have found an RH2/RHB is a breed survey level title, BUT only a certain type of judge can give a qualifying score.  As far as I have researched USCA does not have any of these types of judges giving RH scores out right now.  Here are some related old threads:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=638149-breed-survey-with-an-rh-ipor-title

http://de.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=727021-sv-va-classifaction---what-qualifies-a-dog-to-receive-this-rating-germany---seiger-show

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=110221-what-is-a-rh1-title#110587

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=27458-hgh-title--what-does-it-mean-re-showing

But note, MANY of the replies to these posts have totally DISAPPEARED and are much shorter now, than when I first replied to the threads.  Originally they had two pages of comments which simply no longer exist.

Here are some other threads on similar topics:

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/schutzhund-ipo-training/190723-sv-acknowledges-sar-rh2-b-k9s-koerung.html

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/search-rescue/269082-rh-title.html

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/showing-conformation/169726-sv-breed-survey-conformation-question.html

http://www.ddrlegends.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=296

Personally I think it will be tough to get an unbiased answer here, very few people here are interested in how the RH and HGH can be leveraged into titles comparable to the IPO-3/SchH3.  GSD people are interested however, I just don't think they reside on this forum.  Try contacting Liz LaPointe at SDONA, she has written a few articles about IPO-R published in the USCA and WDA magazines, which I am positive many here have sitting on the desks but never read

Zdog, I mean service dog, as in service animal for the haddicapped  not K9 for police if you are misunderstanding. If not, then am I to die soon because my gsd service dog is not worth it and he holds my life in his paws? Do not judge all gsd service dogs off a few fakers.

Search and rescue dogs, I worked SAR volunteer for many years until injured hence now using a service dog. My dogs saved lives and brough hom closure for those that were not to families. How dare you say that is not a working dog. When I was in SAR we were NOT allowed to do bite work. How are good genetics for dogs that do sar and not crack, supposed to move onward in the lines and maintain integrity of the working breed if we are not allowed to do bite work and sch people will not accept true working dogs?

No matter what even if a dog is sch titled it can be fake, a sch title without knowing the dog is the same as a fake service dog or sar dog.... know the dogs not the titles..... sch people scream midnight trials and unfortunatly I know they exist it is the same as fake ppd and other kinds.

I do not breed gsds or any other breed. I train in schutzhund and show conformation but I am not a breeder. I just love dogs and working them. Why don't you go prejudge someone else? the awesome grandsire to my dog is HGH AND SCH 3!! Work ability is very important to me.

Any of the above mentioned dogs (without IPO titles) of course "may" be bred.  Simply register them with the AKC (in the States) and carry on your goals....

Why must "we," who believe in the merits of IPO as one element of a breed suitability criteria for our preferred dogs necessarily bring all kinds of others into the fold?  Why even try to equivocate a service dog, SARS dog, police K-9, IPO dog, fly baller, dock diver, and/or fluffy name you're "title" dog?  Apples to oranges comparisons although all of the activities certainly have merit.
 
But I will add one thing; from the ranks of past and present IPO titled dogs, ALL of the aforementioned dogs may be found.

I am personally not in favor of watering down (my preferred) breed standards further merely to increase "participation."  And, if our respective breed organization(s) die because they are not doing enough "other stuff" to be inclusive, then so be it.  I'll be one of the last standing reminiscing about Schutzhund/IPO and the "good 'ol days."

:)

Best,

Kevin Nance

The way I see it basically you have people with poor examples of the breed that wont accept what their dog is.  So instead of dealing with reality they try and force the sport to conform to their dog or come up with a consolation prize. 

I would say an exceptional SAR dog in a breeding would be fine if the parents where IPO titled and the other half of the breeding was titled as well...jmo.  But no I dont consider a disability support dog breedable..and would never purchase a pup from such a pairing..again jmo.