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by hodie on 19 January 2007 - 23:01

As I said, they have now added exactly the same breed specific foods to the PRO line, since August of last year. The other food was corn based and that was why I too did not feed it. But the rub is that most people will not qualify for the program to get the PRO line and "discounts". Fortunately, I do. It will save me several thousand dollars a year now that they have that same food. Supposedly it is also available for Yorkie, Lab, Boxer and the GSD.

by oso on 19 January 2007 - 23:01

Here in Ecuador we have been getting the RC pro maxi junior and maxi adult for the last few months, I can confirm that its just the same as the commercially available versions but in less glossy packaging and larger bags (20kg), and is only sold to registered breeders. I feed as gsdlvr except that I switch to maxi junior by 2 months as baby dog is way too expensive and only comes in small bags...I find by this age the pups can easly manage to chew it, though always moistened a little. I also give some meat and veg to both puppies and adults, I cook the meat though as not sure how safe it is here raw...

by lrose on 20 January 2007 - 00:01

I have fed puppies Sensible Choice (large breed puppy) until 12 months of age and then switch to Royal Canin GSD formula for life. I really liked the Sensible Choice formula because it really gives a nice shiny haircoat.

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 20 January 2007 - 00:01

The main thing to remember if u feed raw meats, which I have seen the difference in coat and skin, as being better, is to be sure u buy it fresh, freeze it, and give dog 3/4 of the way thawed and if dog does not eat in an appropriate time according to heat of day, then discard it immediately.....since we dont raise goats, sheep and livestock in our backyards, and have to rely on a butcher, it is important to know its fresh...If a 21 year old college student can feed his pup from 4 mos old to 1 1/2 years old when I took him back because of a family tragedy, I think any one else can manage to feed it raw safely...WE do not have mad cow disease running rampage that I know of, and ive been feeding raw meat for 6 years and have no problem,,,,so u be the judge, we give the facts......and I have probably fed to 8-14 dogs, and not to puppies until 6mos old...for many years... I add it to Royal Canin Sh24 and to Exceed Lamb & Rice.....with olive oil, cottage cheese and yogurt , a few days a week.....

by coragio on 20 January 2007 - 00:01

timberwold organics is a awsome food

by D.H. on 20 January 2007 - 01:01

Interesting Hodie. I have been feeding Eagle well before they added digestive enzymes and the dogs did just as well on it. The enzymes added to Eagle are Protease (helps digest protein), Cellulase (helps digest cellulose), and Amylase (helps digest starch). They are added to make up for the enzymes lost during the production process. IMO a very smart move. Human nutritionists highly recommend adding enzymes to the daily diet because the foods we eat are so devoid of them, mainly because of the processing. If you feed kibble (processed) it makes sense for dogs too IMO. Eagle has always been on the forefront of latest nutritional findings. They were the first to naturally preserve their food, back then with vitamin C and Rosemary extract. And the first to add supplements, like kelp and later others. Interestingly the one enzyme that plays a pretty big role in pancreatic insufficiency (fat maldigestion) is lipase, which is responsible for fat digestion, and which is not part of the enzyme supplemenation. Regardless, if a food works well for a dog then that should be the first choice to go by. Eagle is not always easy to get in Germany, unfortunately. *** I used to feed RC many years ago, but they used to change and discontinue some of their really good formulas so that eventually I was turned off by the whole thing. It was just too hard to stay on top of it and the new foods did not always agree with the dogs either. RC still promotes high protein diets for large breed puppies for example (32% protein these days, used to be 36% til just recently), something that has long been overhauled, but they still stick to it. The RC GSD formula for example has two sources of soy, which can have a negative effect on a dogs thyroid: soy isolate (soy protein), and soy oil. No word if the soy is non-genetically modified or not. It also contains sodium silico aluminate fairly high on the ingredient list, which prevents caking. In Germany we used to be able to get the Maxi Junior, which I have not been able to find in North America yet. It used to have 28% protein and worked pretty well in a growing GSD. Now it comes with 32% protein. They recently introduced the GSD Junior with 30% protein. So again, we are left out in the cold with a food that did work and is no longer available and now have to experiment with a new food if we want to stick with the brand. Very frustrating. On top of that they are reducing many of their promotions for large scale breeders in Germany. I reckon that will follow suit in the US. RC is not a bad food, lots of dogs do well on it. If I cannot get Eagle, RC is certainly a good second choice. *** I recently tried a food called Orijen and I have not decided yet if I like it or not. It is one of the new no-grain food, comparable to the Evo, but owners who are feeding it report fewer problems. And I do like it much better than the Evo. I usually do not test a food until I have had some feedback from several store owners and some of their regular customers. I wonder if foods like that are really that good for the dogs? People come up with all sort of things but with a new product there is not enough time to tell if the idea behind the product is actually working in the long term. Foods like Evo and Orijen have not been on the market long enough to know if it will do damage to a dog or not. I would never experiment with little known or new foods like that with a puppy.

by Blitzen on 20 January 2007 - 01:01

Any comments on Chicken Soup?

Trailrider

by Trailrider on 20 January 2007 - 02:01

I personally think RAW/natural fresh human grade food is the way to go! All of my dogs have benefited from this and they always look like they want their meals. No turned up noses... I do not think it is rocket science as what they eat does not have to be balanced daily but over a 7 day period. When I think of the stuff most people eat all their lives it is far from a "balanced diet" (me included) and we do just fine. You can Google RAW or BARF diets. I have given this link to Leerbergs page before but here it is again: http://www.leerburg.com/diet2.htm He also sells a book that is easy to read and understand: Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats by Kymythy R. Schultze. Maybe it is just me, but when you look at dry dog food/kibble, can "you" imagine eating it day after day? It would be like thinking about a #1 meal at Mc'd's. You can live on it but not thrive... it is over processed food, in most cases much less than adequate ingredients... food not meant for human consumption. Yes dogs can eat alot ranker things than we humans because of their digestive tracts. Food stays in the stomach (acid) much longer and they have a shorter intestine. IMO dog food is mostly grain (unless grain free like Evo etc.), dogs are carnivores (maybe because they are opportunist,Omnivores) but not herbivores! They aren't meant to eat mostly grain. I have thought about dry dog food alot and have wondered "How can even a 35# bag of food, sold for $40.00 a bag have any quality ingredients, when the cost of meat alone in the grocery store is usually over $2.00 per lb.?" And how can anyone make money?? They can't unless they use substandard ingredients... JMO! Food for thought... grain ferments...food stays in dogs stomach longer...fermenting grain produces gas...

by GSDLVR on 20 January 2007 - 07:01

Blitzen - Chicken Soup for the Doglover's Soul....CRAP....3 words: GROUND YELLOW CORN. UGH. My favorites: Raw ( I usually do chicken, beef, plain yogurt, cottage cheese, brewer's yeast, vitamin e, coconut oil amd maybe a dab of olive oil ) mixed with a good dry such as EVO by Innova (they'll actually eat it too...protein content is 42%!!!), Canine Caviar Lamb (**TRY THE CANNED BEAVER with it - AWESOME**will change the coat to glistening in less than a week!). Just PLEASE make sure you look at the order of ingredients on the bag and the protein/fat content percentage and make a wise choice based on that and internet research - most dogfood companys have a website and you can read up why theirs is "best", look at their lab/molecular research, etc., and make an educated decision yourself.

by Jenijenjen on 20 January 2007 - 08:01

There is no Corn in Chicken Soup.





 


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