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by shinokami on 27 January 2007 - 22:01

Let's not forget that the majority of the Filipino people can barely buy enough food to last them the week, much less pick up stray dogs from vendors thousands of miles away. I know a lot of people that pick up stray dogs and cats and care for them despite poverty, though, but I don't know if that's enough for you, considering they didn't spend money doing it. Americans can do more because they can spend more. I'll do the same when I can, but of course I'm barely out of college myself. Visit dog-tracker.com, which I gave you. Then you can talk to more Filipinos who are better at this than I am, who've seen more and perhaps whose opinion you might be able to better respect.

sueincc

by sueincc on 27 January 2007 - 22:01

No one said you loved PETA! The fact is PETA hasn't done any good. So YES, throw that baby out with the bath water. The woman who started PETA is a headline grabbing fruit cake. There are many other organizations that have done the real work of trying to raise the collective concious & promote animal welfare. PETA just likes to take the credit for it. So before you talk about the "good" PETA has done, do your homework!

by Do right and fear no one on 27 January 2007 - 22:01

I read every word you wrote before I responded. I like to read and I read fast. I do not "skim". I have not taken any personal pot shots towards you, unless you are refering to my asking if you have rescued any dogs or protested those venders in the "southern provinces". If you took it as a personal affront, I apologize. I was trying to make the point about the difference here and there. We could go on and on like this, talking about the good and bad of our respective countries (by the way, my country is more than billions in debt, we count in trillions, and yet we are the most generous country in the world, by far), but I really don't want to. I met some decent people in the Phillipines that were just poor and "had to do what they had to do" in order to get by. You have probably heard stories about senior citizens in the U.S. alledgedly having to eat dog food because of their limited fixed income. Both countries (hell, ALL countries) have their good points and bad points. But I have to tell you one more time, those images of those poor dogs bound and gagged, alive and waiting for welcome death, have given me nightmares recently, and I just can not accept it as something a human being should accept. If I was in your country, I would be doing something (probably go to jail:). I would have to do something, or I could not live with myself. Again, I want to make it understood. I know there are good people in every country, and I hope the best for you and your country. But for Gods sake, get some people and politicians together and DO SOMETHING about the treatment some of your countrymen are giving to those poor dogs. If there are so many dog lovers and caring people there, I am sure ya'll can get something done. If nothing else, kill those damn dogs and freeze them before they are sold. Not lying around bound and gagged, unable to sweat, eat, move, etc, etc., begging for death. I am sorry. It is just plain sick. Now I am upset again. I'm done. I wish you personally the best. To your countrymen doing "those things", DAMN THEM.

DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 27 January 2007 - 22:01

Let's not talk down to people with different cultures. Several Asian countries eat dogs. Not something I find tasteful but to each his own.

by shinokami on 27 January 2007 - 22:01

Like I said, I've seen that video before when I was young, and you won't believe how many days I sulked and cried out afterwards. I wanted to join PAWS then in order to write in their newsletter, but I was 11 and probably rambled on more than I did now for people to make any sense of what I've said. It's easy for you to say, "If I was in your country, I would be doing something (probably go to jail:)."...but you have to understand how people there have lived and grown up. Probably you just won't end up in jail, you'd probably be killed (the past few years a surprising number of journalists and media men have been assassinated), and your family too. Someone--a kid my age--was shot and killed in broad daylight for protesting increasing tuition fees. It's just not easy--there's no such thing as 'freedom of speech', and the law can't really protect you so far. There ARE people doing something about this, again I shouldn't be the person you're talking to or this place shouldn't be the place where you're ranting, as I can give you very limited information. As I've said before, in 1998, they've made it *illegal* to eat dog in the major parts of the country. That was a first step...I'm sure there'll be others to come, considering the explosion of dog lovers in the past decade.

by shinokami on 27 January 2007 - 22:01

PS: Although, since you've indicated a desire to help, I wonder if you can contact the Philippine Animal Welfare Society and set up a donation of some sort? I'm sure that would be more appreciated than internet bantering.

by Do right and fear no one on 28 January 2007 - 05:01

I don't banter and I don't rave. I stated my objection to this behavior and you chose to have a verbal (written) fight about it. I did not respond to you initially. You responded to me. I give here more than you know to the local humane shelter. My wife and I are volunteer dog walkers at the Highland County Human Shelter and I donate bleach, dog treats, blankets and cash every month. You can probably do a search of them on the net, email Melonie who runs the place, and she will verify this. I am doing all I can afford already. I will make you a deal. I will fix my country if you fix yours. You have an advantage starting out as my country is a whole lot larger:) DesertRangers: I am "taking issue" with anyone of any culture who treats dogs in the manner described in the previous posts. I don't like that culture, I don't condone that culture and I don't understand that culture. Funny how us Americans have to take whatever the "other cultures" say about us but we dare not say anything about them. In some cultures it is okay for grown men to have sex with little boys. I guess you would not condem that either, because it is not politically correct. They are wrong and I am right. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. The world is black and white, not shades of grey. No matter what the media and politicians tell you. It is actually very simple to ascertain what is right and what is wrong. Bending the front legs of a dog behind its back and binding them, then putting a tin can over its mouth and letting it lie on the ground to suffer for hours or perhaps even days is wrong, whether you are a hillbilly like me, a Filipino or an African. They watch the same TV shows and movies over there, that we watch. They watch CNN just like we watch it. They have the same internet we do. They know how most of the world feels about this type of practice. Their lives will not be any worse if they stop this practice, but they choose not too. I condem any culture that does "this". I am not a politically correct person and never will be. When it comes to what I feel is right or wrong, to quote George Bush, "I am the decider". I should mention that half of my family is Chinese. My stepfather was Chinese and I have one brother and three sisters that are dear to me that are of Chinese descent. They would never think of doing anything so terrible as described. It has nothing to do with color or religion but it has everything to do with culture, and it is WRONG, no matter how you slice it. They know it is wrong, as evidenced by one of them himself (shinokami). He is not the one doing it but he lives there and he states that many of them (majority if I understand him correctly) know it is wrong. So, why is it still going on? Culture, that's why. Put a cork in it.

by shinokami on 28 January 2007 - 05:01

Then what is it about "this is *not* the norm" do you not understand? Do you not realize that we don't just walk in the streets and see the dog vendors you've seen? That the video showing these men doing this to dogs was an exposé? This is NOT our culture. This is ILLEGAL in our country. I was responding to you because you are acting as if it was an every day thing!

by Do right and fear no one on 28 January 2007 - 06:01

Ya know shinokami, when I said "put a cork in it", that is my way of saying I'm done with this conversation. I don't want to put anyone or any country down. I condem the culture, the action. Not the peoples of your country in general. I condem and detest the ones who do it and the ones who allow it to be done. It is in fact part of your peoples culture, otherwise we would not be having this conversation. It may be illegal now in many provinces or all provinces but it is like cocaine here in America. There was a time when it was legal, now it is not, yet millions and millions still use it. We go after them quite hard and lock a lot of them up. Your country is not locking up a lot of dog abusers. If they are, I can't find that fact on the internet anywhere. An expose is not needed for an open air market. An expose is not needed for trucks rumbling down the highway full of caged dogs. It is in fact an everyday occurrence. Maybe not everywhere (surely not everywhere) in your country, but it is occurring everyday somewhere in your country. Some of your countrymen eat dogs. Some of my countrymen eat deer meat. I don't like either one and I don't HAVE to like it. We both know that the "authorities" are aware this is being done, when and where it is being done. And so are the peoples in those "southern provinces" you spoke of. It is not pursued because it is not "that important" to them to fight it. They (the locals and the governemt officials) can go right past it and ignore it, as they live their everyday lives. No, it is not the "norm" but it is not rare either. I don't like it. I will continue to speak out about it. I will never change my mind and accept it as a cultural difference between us. You will just have to understand that we agree to disagree. Good luck in all you do. No ill feelings towards you personally. Again, "put a fork in it, it's done".

by shinokami on 28 January 2007 - 07:01

If you say it's done, then it's done. I've said my part and defended what is mine to defend.





 


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