Dog Behaviorists - Page 12

I got it, you restore old cars......

I was born in 1953 by the way....:)

I have seen a number of behaviorists with a background in training marine animals, orcas especially, that condemn any non positive methods.

Looney, I would not classify "in-house" amusement park trained "Marine Animal Trainers" as "Animal Behaviorists" under any circumstance.  Mind you, these folks are VERY different than the types selected and employed by most Zoo's, whom have a more scientific/academic bent.  Its well know that Marine Parks DO NOT want people with advanced education and/or field experience to work with their coporate owned Marine Animals.  They want folks with Bachelor degrees or less, with no experience, becuase those new impressionable employees will "believe" and "implement" anything they are told to do by the provider of thier paycheck.

Sure, some of this cohort later, after they stop working with a particular park, go back to school and get an advanced degree.  But by then the damage is already done.

To say you must have paper to be taken seriously or too suceed is only true in specific sandboxes, there is another world out there besides the one you seem to think rules everything

Don't forget school dependent disciplines like civil engineering and chemestry.  The days of "I taught myself" are long over for subjects like these.

So we have to distinguish between bachelor degree behaviorist and master degree behaviorist?

real good , informative, and  thought provocative back and forth. But correct me if I am wrong Fawnd. You want to find someone to help you promote understanding of you dog and a better relationship [?] There are many good examples of people in the behavior arena being noted here. If what you want is personal growth, investigate the professionals in your area, and when you like what their dog does for them , jump in with both feet [ and a good grip on your wallet.] 

So we have to distinguish between bachelor degree behaviorist and master degree behaviorist?

Yes, Susie, people holding a bachlors degree cannot get certified by any of the third party board certification groups, headed by vets and doctorate holders, only if they have a masters AND have completed a formal residency (like a nurse or medical doctor).  As with anything else, Bachelors degree holders are free to call themselves whatever they want, but no academic institution, think tank or vetrinary board will recognize them as an "animal behaviorists", NEVER, EVER. The reason why I mentioned "Bachelors degree's" in regard to Marine Animal trainers is because the amusment parks have in-house programs not grounded in recent animal science.  They are more like circuses, than they are research or learning institutions.

This not the greatest article in the world, but it is concise and to the point:

http://thisisplanetocean.blogspot.com/2013/06/do-seaworld-trainers-need-more.html

susie; when you graduate from hi-school you know a little bit about everything. after bachelor you know alot more about a more focused subject. Got masters? you know a whole lot about one subject, and the PHd? knows everything about nothing! 

and the PHd? knows everything about nothing!

Unless of course he's an Anesthesiologists or Psychologist billing your medical insurance!

My son is studying electrical engineering ( master ) at a very good univerity for quite a while now - he is a very good student, but whenever there is a "real" electric problem in my house, I do ask my neighbour for help - he is a simple electrician, but he always solves the problem.

My son is studying electrical engineering ( master ) at a very good univerity for quite a while now - he is a very good student, but whenever there is a "real" electric problem in my house, I do ask my neighbour for help - he is a simple electrician, but he always solves the problem.

Than have your electrian stamp and sign the drawings for plan review at the city, the next time you need a permit for a home renovation.  As I'm sure you realize, your son, if he chooses, can take that license exam one day, if he passes, he could then stamp those drawings and get a permit.  Your eletrician cannot do that legally and if the calculations are complicated and not reviewed by an engineer, he puts you at physcial risk.  Your electrician may not mention that part, to you, where he has a Licensed Professional Engineer in the State doing that work for him, but it was possbily bundled into the fee you paid him.

Wow! People DO get bent out of shape about almost nothing!

If you want to substantiate "certified animal behaviorist", try googling it and you may also find universities that offer it as a program of study.
And take a chill pill.