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by Keith Grossman on 24 January 2014 - 15:01
Recent study on stress levels and learning effects of different types of collars: http://www.ecma.eu.com/Comparison%20of%20stress%20and%20learning%20effects%20of%20three%20different%20training%20methods%20in%20dogs.pdf
by Hired Dog on 24 January 2014 - 16:01
Mindhunt, I am a father, I will tell you that small kids are the most selfish beings on the planet, all of them, by nature. I have never met a small child who wanted to please anyone for free, for a bribe, sure, just like dogs.
I mean no disrespect to you, but, after several decades in dogs, I put very little stock in studies and "academics" who come up with theories and ideas. I need to see those ideas function in the real world under real conditions, then we can discuss their veracity.
I mean no disrespect to you, but, after several decades in dogs, I put very little stock in studies and "academics" who come up with theories and ideas. I need to see those ideas function in the real world under real conditions, then we can discuss their veracity.
by Mindhunt on 25 January 2014 - 13:01
I am a parent and I have had a totally different experience with children. Research has also shown very young children are altruistic and have great empathy for others both animal and human, yes they can have selfish moments as every living thing can, but they are usually a very small portion of the total. It is totally dependent on caregiver modeling of behavior that they lose those qualities and develop racism, hatred, etc (generalizing, not pointing finger at you). Most of the studies I wrote about started in a laboratory then were done in the real world under real conditions so that the researchers could ethically generalize to the "real world". The studies I tend to appreciate are those done under real world conditions and I always keep keep equal parts open mind and skepticism lol.
by mollyandjack on 25 January 2014 - 14:01
Mindhunt, I'm PMing you. :)
by gsdstudent on 25 January 2014 - 18:01
I always say the most powerful person in the world can take a nap anytime he/she wants to. That person? is a baby. A baby crys and it is picked up by a parent. It crys again and it is fed. I do not think it is selfish, it is totlally dependent, with little sence of ''self'' The more intelligent the animal the more vunrable they are at birth and the more dependent they are in long childhoods. The family or pack teaches and socializes each member to participate in the group. It learns to be productive as an adult. Pack structure is very important. I try to read and follow good programs which show pack [ wolves] interactions. Some macho guy eating raw dead deer meat with his ''wolves'' does not interest me nor wolves in 10 acres fences. One thing to think about is the behavior of the top animals eationg before the underlings. Established pack order is maintained as a bonus for all individual members. I assume most tribal groups in humans had the same social order in a benovolent fashion. A dog behavoirist is learned in the way of the pack.
by fawndallas on 25 January 2014 - 21:01
Very good book Hundmutter . Easy enough to read and understand without all the fluff that is confusing.
thank you
thank you
by Rexy on 30 January 2014 - 20:01
The mention of Ecollars or positive training methods depends on the dog's indivudual character IME. Dogs high in drive for handler induced prey items which extends to ease of maintaining handler focus train exceptionally well in postive training methods, however dogs low in drive or inherent drive in the wrong place train more easily using punishment based methods or a combination of both once boundaries are established. It's complete nonesense to suggest that one training method exists best suited to all character types. With my two GSD's alone, one was trained primarly with an Ecollar, the other who has a tendency towards handler aggression, punitive methods creates conflict with this dog who is primarily trained in reward based methods. Swap the training methods around on these two dogs results in a non responsive dog and the other wanting to fight you which in various degrees is the same situation I have found across the board.......the best training method first and foremost depends on the dog.
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