TOP TEN WORKING LINE GSD BREEDERS IN NORTH AMERICA - Page 9

Learned so much from Stefan, Paul and especially Duke. Insanely knowledegable.

Good post Mike!.....like you said, top breeders have "stick tooedness" and produce producers.

I've not been on PDB for a year now and regret even reading any of this. While there seems to be a lot of people who are genuinely interested in the dogs there are also some of the most nasty bitter individuals ever assembled in one spot. It's really sad. I raise dogs and I have some good ones. I may not be the "best breeder" in the world but I'm doing my best to improve the breed the only way I know how. I bought the best dogs I could find and I bred them.  Not complicated. To the lady that researched SpitzenHund dogs. Yes there are only a few under the SpitzenHund name. We just started the name when we imported Bomber. Most people know this but great detection work. As far as Stefan. When you find out who he really is you will certainly have a different opinion of his posts but it's not my place to do that.  Now I have dogs to train. This is the last post I will make. It should be about the dogs, not what is going on in here. 

for the record -
@Staatsmacht
"@Border11
You start this here with abig topic!! 
now people tell you that there dog is nice but will never be great in some kind of work and all people are happy!lets make a new breed with dogs who make people only happy.
really are you serious??? "

This is not the case at all with our dog. Our dog is in training with a top trainer you personally mentioned to hopefully be a serious contender in the sport dog world. Our dog had to be accepted by this trainer as he does not take just any dogs. We have received several offers from very experienced people and another world renowned trainer wanted to take him on after he met him. This dog is from the breeding program at Spitzenhund Kennel. As with anything, a little bit of luck went into this dog, the breeding did not happen via 'luck' it was disected and than done.
So, not only did Spitzenhund meet the requirements of what Border11 asked for they also produced a top sport prospect through the program they are building. There are other young dogs from the kennel ahead of ours that may be shinning before us.Spitzenhund is building a strong program in the United States and their breedings are very selctive.
Therefore, this information is just an' added bonus' for the poster.
We also did our part of hw and in took many months to find this dog so we are not blowing smoke either.

Border11 I hope you have information that you find sincere and credible for the purpose of your post.

This I will say for Parrish and Spitzenhund Kennel.

The finest group of Sch titled dogs in the country that I know of and growing every month. Pedigrees to die for.
He stands behind his dogs and puppies no matter what. I know a man that is real sick and can not care for his Spitzenhund dog,  Parrish took the dog back and refunded his money. No questions asked.
He insists you are happy with you puppy or dog.
Parrish has intregrity, he stand behind his dogs period. There are few like him.


 

Now let me ask, what is probably a stupid question;
     If so much importance is put on the female dog, why...are all these awesome females only titled to sch1 by the time they are 6 and seven years old?
    And, if the top kennels are working and training their own dogs, again, why only sch1, the bare minimum to follow SV standards?

Kitkat, I think the answer to your question is something along the lines of the idea that a superior female's years are better spent breeding than trialing. Once she's titled, she'll have more impact on the breed being bred than being titled to the highest level- they have only a window of time, unlike a male that can be producing past 10yrs old. 

kitkat, females are allways the foundation of every kennel and breedingprogram, this is what you start out with, you can breed your female to every male of choice, owned by anyone, but the bitch is what you have, cant change that every heat, male you can change every time after evaluation of last litter of your female

I am visiting te USA since 1987 for dogs and seen many kennels buying a famous male and putting it on every available female to fill the demand, but never did I see it grow into a breedingprogram over the lines of that famous dog, normal procedure is allways, when the magic of this famous dog is over it will be replaced by a new famous stud for the next couple of years 

now this is a mindset in dogs and horses for long time but if you look real close you ill seethat great breeders and breedingprograms lean havily on a great female

some examples
 staatsmacht;    many great dogs from  Orla  and strong mother/producer konnie kornerplatz    but bred out of various males
vd Lutter  ;          many great/famous dogs   all from Haska von Karhago    bred out of various males
Valkenplatz ;;  many great dogs from female  Xanthippe blommerschot   bred out of different males
Brandevoort ;  many great dogs from  ouchie schiffslache  , same line as Staatsmacht, Tyson/Konnie   bred out of various males
Schiffslache  ;; many great dogs from  konnie kornerpatz        bred out of various males


so for anyone willing to start a succsfull breedingprogram, the key is to buy a well bred strong female and go from there , unfortunately this path will cost time and money , so wont be appealing to most

secondly to be successfull breeder you need to work your females, recognize their points that need improvement and select males that can improve on this, this will be different male for every female mostly as every female is different, and since ther are enough quality males available for breeding in th USA this will not bethe biggest challenge

I understand that USA hs a huge distance prolem that makes it easyer for european breeders to go see males ad breed them, but I also drive 800 kilometers one way to see or breed to a dog, and if you are really dedicated to improve your stock that is the path to go
 

I really miss the button!
Why didn´t we meet in 1987, Duke? In that year there was my first flight to the States, with 6 German Shepherds as "luggage".

Very good post, Duke. 

I'm (loosely) trying to do similar and it's very hard- I have several daughters and a few sons of my first bitch that I'm working with (or who are being worked with different owners or co-owners) and geography is definitely not in our favor. Some are more than 2 days' drive time away...not just a few hours. The quality of studs that you'd want to use when your plan is to go forward, not just sell offspring, is not that great in the immediate local area. I felt very lucky to find 2 within driving distance that paired well with my original foundation bitch. I'm not trying to be some big kennel; I just want enough avenues I can explore in the future of the few dogs I still have and want to keep going into the future with. The problem is I've exhausted many/most of the studs I like on their mother, so I can't very well go back and breed him again to his daughters. There are times I do wish I was in Europe, where a day's drive would show me more than one dog. 

Regarding a well-bred strong bitch being the path to take but not appealing to most, ditto. I wish the like button was still here. That's very true. Instant gratification does not apply to this method. I have one nice bitch I imported. I'm sure someone out there doesn't like her (lots don't like me! Ha!) but most agree that she's a very nice bitch, especially those who've met or worked her. Anyway, when people talk about breeding and ask how I got into it, and I tell people what I paid for her, how I got her, and how long I waited to find her, their eyes start to glaze over. I think they thought I bought her when the neighbor's dog had puppies and she just grew up nicely. LOL. They want to buy some bitch that someone else doesn't want, pay about $3000 USD for her, and they want to make puppies immediately with the dog down the street, OR better yet, they want to buy female pups, grow them up, buy a halfway decent male, and just breed the same pair that they own, over and over and over. That's not breeding with any goal whatsoever- that's puppy production. JMO.