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by OGBS on 06 February 2014 - 22:02
Sunsilver,
There are no areas of the United States that "have" to import homeless pets other than Nantucket Island where there are no homeless animals.
The rescues do it because they choose to do so and can afford to house them longer than most county pounds that simply euthanize.
There are more than enough animals, generally speaking, in the areas that do take them in to satisfy demand. (Except for people like your picky friend.)
As for your vet offering to spay your dog, almost all do. They are indoctrinated at vet school to help reduce the homeless pet population.
Joan,
You wrote, "The AR advocates are creating a shortage of dogs in shelters for the very people who also embrace laws against breeding dogs or allowing any puppy to remain intact."
Does that answer your question?
There is a market for importation of homeless dogs for mainly two reasons.
1) That is what those particular rescues choose to do. For example, I live in Illinois where there is no shortage of homeless pets, but, many rescues here choose to pull animals from pounds in other states where the animals have zero chance of surviving.
2) Some small areas, particularly New England, has done a better job of managing their homeless pet population because of a population of people that are, overall, better educated. A better educated public leads to more responsible pet ownership and things like less people having oops litters and, yes, more people spaying and neutering their pets which will never be bred, all the while with no spay-neuter laws.
Less stupid (meaning irresponsible) people = less homeless pets
And again, I really do not want to hijack this thread any further. It is about Schutzhund.
There are no areas of the United States that "have" to import homeless pets other than Nantucket Island where there are no homeless animals.
The rescues do it because they choose to do so and can afford to house them longer than most county pounds that simply euthanize.
There are more than enough animals, generally speaking, in the areas that do take them in to satisfy demand. (Except for people like your picky friend.)
As for your vet offering to spay your dog, almost all do. They are indoctrinated at vet school to help reduce the homeless pet population.
Joan,
You wrote, "The AR advocates are creating a shortage of dogs in shelters for the very people who also embrace laws against breeding dogs or allowing any puppy to remain intact."
Does that answer your question?
There is a market for importation of homeless dogs for mainly two reasons.
1) That is what those particular rescues choose to do. For example, I live in Illinois where there is no shortage of homeless pets, but, many rescues here choose to pull animals from pounds in other states where the animals have zero chance of surviving.
2) Some small areas, particularly New England, has done a better job of managing their homeless pet population because of a population of people that are, overall, better educated. A better educated public leads to more responsible pet ownership and things like less people having oops litters and, yes, more people spaying and neutering their pets which will never be bred, all the while with no spay-neuter laws.
Less stupid (meaning irresponsible) people = less homeless pets
And again, I really do not want to hijack this thread any further. It is about Schutzhund.
by howlk9 on 06 February 2014 - 22:02
I have been involved in rescue, most specifically of GSDs, for nearly 20 years and I would love to see a day when my local shelters and rescue organizations don't have a steady supply of puppies of nearly every make and model. If anyone is looking for a puppy, just PM me and I am sure I can help you make it happen.
However, I don't get the connection between training stick hits and dogs in shelters.
However, I don't get the connection between training stick hits and dogs in shelters.
by Sunsilver on 06 February 2014 - 22:02
OG, PMing you to avoid hijacking the thread further.
by joanro on 06 February 2014 - 23:02
No, it does not answer my question. How does that mean less homeless dogs is bad for breeders. I'm talking about laws against breeding dogs and every animal being s/n .....doesn't take a genius to figure out what the result is. Look, ogbs, I'm not bitching about there not being any homeless dogs, my point is the AR nut jobs are winning, little by little with each law they get passed. I also said "importing from offshore" as in bringing from other countries. I know of transporters here who sell adoption dogs up north and pregnant bitches are in highest demand, because puppies are harder to come by. That's great, don't you think.
OGBS, are you one of those people who stereotypes all southerners as "stupid" ? Because you seem to need a bit of education yersef, lak, y'all know the difference betwixt "importation" and "transportation"?
by Sunsilver on 06 February 2014 - 23:02
pregnant bitches are in highest demand, because puppies are harder to come by.
Which is EXACTLY what I was trying to say when OBGD RIDICULED my friend for being 'picky''!
If her husband hadnt been so strongly opposed to paying serious money for a pup, they likely WOULD have bought a puppy from a legitimate breeder of purebred dogs. They loved my German shepherd, and would have liked to have had one of their own.
Which is EXACTLY what I was trying to say when OBGD RIDICULED my friend for being 'picky''!
If her husband hadnt been so strongly opposed to paying serious money for a pup, they likely WOULD have bought a puppy from a legitimate breeder of purebred dogs. They loved my German shepherd, and would have liked to have had one of their own.
by joanro on 06 February 2014 - 23:02
SS, you're talking to ogbs when you're referring to RIDICULED, right?
by Sunsilver on 06 February 2014 - 23:02
yup. Will edit to make that absolutely CLEAR! 
by Haz on 07 February 2014 - 00:02
I said it before and I will say it again. ENOUGH trying to hide from and appease ignorance. IPO needs to get back to its roots, it needs to stop compromising, and celebrate what it was originally meant to be. It needs to be a sport that not every dog can do, that only high end dogs can have real success in and be proud of that fact. Its time to stand firm and be honest with what this sport is and should be and why strong dogs and strong tools are necessary to maintaining strong breeding stock.
To be honest I think IPO is ultimately lost as they will continue to give way until there is nothing left. I think the rot is already to deep in western Europe the future of working dogs is in the USA and maybe Holland / Belgium.
Let us learn from what has happened in Europe get off this sinking ship that is the SV and FCI. Grow our own Sports in North America that celebrate strong dogs and skilled handlers are required to achieve success. Some may call it barbaric or abusive, who cares! Make a sport that tests the dogs and handlers and is entertaining to watch.
Look at MMA and the UFC. Considered a fringe sport that was on the border of being illegal and barbaric for years. They had medical associations and numerous special interest groups that lobbied against them for years. The sport was practically banned in some areas. Now they are a worldwide sport that has supplanted boxing. Laws have been changed to allow the sport to hold events in areas were it was previously banned. They went mainstream put some reasonable rules in place, made it more fun to watch. People ate it up.
There is a strong appetite to witness and compete in what is extraordinary, what is difficult. To see and be the exception not the rule. Sports like PSA that are entertaining, varied, and truly test the dogs can really take off if they are better organized and have more competitors.
Dog sport and working dogs is on the way out the door in Europe, lets learn from their failure and make our own future.
To be honest I think IPO is ultimately lost as they will continue to give way until there is nothing left. I think the rot is already to deep in western Europe the future of working dogs is in the USA and maybe Holland / Belgium.
Let us learn from what has happened in Europe get off this sinking ship that is the SV and FCI. Grow our own Sports in North America that celebrate strong dogs and skilled handlers are required to achieve success. Some may call it barbaric or abusive, who cares! Make a sport that tests the dogs and handlers and is entertaining to watch.
Look at MMA and the UFC. Considered a fringe sport that was on the border of being illegal and barbaric for years. They had medical associations and numerous special interest groups that lobbied against them for years. The sport was practically banned in some areas. Now they are a worldwide sport that has supplanted boxing. Laws have been changed to allow the sport to hold events in areas were it was previously banned. They went mainstream put some reasonable rules in place, made it more fun to watch. People ate it up.
There is a strong appetite to witness and compete in what is extraordinary, what is difficult. To see and be the exception not the rule. Sports like PSA that are entertaining, varied, and truly test the dogs can really take off if they are better organized and have more competitors.
Dog sport and working dogs is on the way out the door in Europe, lets learn from their failure and make our own future.
by Keith Grossman on 07 February 2014 - 01:02
I'm missing the part where my dog still can't get stick hits at club training this weekend? They can only take away what you let them.
by vk4gsd on 07 February 2014 - 02:02
to all the americans here that want to start there own breed test to get down to see what the dog is worth, perhap you missed it, one word for ya's -
PSA
PSA
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