Boban vom grauen Monstab - Page 5

They also have problems with ED and long coats

Thanks Johnsk9! I was not aware of the ED problems. I know the hips were a problem in the E-litter and I believe in the F-litter. I personally would never breed to Boban. BTW, his litter mate Borg who has only a BH, is up for sale by Alt-Ostland as well! Makes you wonder.

fleur The Hd in Bora and the 2 in Malaysia did not happen that long ago. I have seen the xray on the 2 in Malaysia. I think Sven boban's sire has a large part in all of this. Not to long ago i believe there was someone posting on this board with something out of sven with ED. After all the publicity on the forums about bobans litter and the HD this maybe why you see these dogs up for sale. What about the breeding here in the usa from boban in a year from now this may all come up again.

I agree! The litter here is only one year old and most of them probably will not get their hips done (most pet people don't unless there is a problem w the dog). The aggression could set in at a later age as well, given the late maturing of DDR dogs. Bottom line, vom Banach k9 would have never sold this dog if there wasn't any problems either his aggression or hips.

Thanks, Gustav & Fleur, I agree with Gustav on many points, also that there needs to be a degree of caution before completely dismissing dogs from selection. You need to pull your information from multiple sources, including the rumor mill, although the rumor mill can at times be very unfair and inaccurate.. Remember that we are in a very competitive field, and gossip is notoriously inaccurate, anyway. With so few offspring available to go by, unfortuneately even the percentages lie. There is insufficient data for a complete asessment. However, as John knows there is already SO much of this line 13a (to Alf Körnersee, etc) around that we would not be losing anything to pass him over, and if the brother is also available, there would be another option.. So, you know how that goes.. One sibling often produces much better than the other and just as often it is the less famous sibling which is the better producer. At this time I would say that there's an awful lot to work through when considering this dog. But he could be a good dog.. I really don't know, because I don't know the dog or any of his offspring. Looking at the pedigree, I cannot see any place that a problem with temperament could come from. But very often this will be the case. A recessive gene pops up and you don't know where it came from. The answer is "anywhere". I've seen specific traits coming from several generations back in a pedigree, before. The more information you have, the better a decision you can make, and the better your decisions, the better your breeding program will be. But then, in all fairness, most breeders in the US today do not really have breeding programs with longrange goals. They just keep importing and breeding and selling in an endless string of business transactions, and nothing stays in the kennel longer than it's profitability. That can be a problem with the market, just as easily as a problem with the dog. So, you have to be careful with your suspicions, "Why was the dog sold"? I've bought some really great dogs over the years, and obviously almost all dogs are for sale, sooner or later, for a lot of different reasons.

Hi DDR-DSH talk to you soon DDR_SDG

I did want to say something more about the "choking" treatment, which I reserve for only the very most incorrigible dogs, like Ufo. When we did it we used a warden's pole, passed through a moveable chain link panel, so that we essentially moved that panel in on the dog and squeeze-chuted him. Further we let him back up against a wall and then passed pieces of broomstick through the chain link in front of his chest and above his withers, so that he was effectively immobilized. With a warden's pole you have extremely good control, anyway. Once that was around his neck securely, the panel was released so that I could go in by the gate and put a muzzle on the dog. When he tried to attack me, he got his lights put out. He got that treatment twice, for cause of trying to attack me, and in between treatments, he was allowed to regain full awareness and vigor, so that he would be able to make his own choices and learn from his own mistakes. On the third try, he actually thrust his own nose into the muzzle that was put in front of him. Most comical, really! I never said the dog was stupid. He was extremely intelligent, but he played from a different rulebook. Affection and treats meant little or nothing to him.. He just wanted to be the boss and to rub it in frequently. He loved a good fight and he'd be the first to try to provoke one. I never handled him without a muzzle on, and in his kennel he was constantly kept on a heavy (so as not to entangle legs, etc.) chain with which he was weighed in like a boat anchor and secured in the corner before I entered his kennel (then the muzzle went on). Everything was set up with this Ufo dog and he never had the opportunity to hurt anyone, again. There is no way that a handler aggressive dog should be given that opportunity, and handling them can be reasonably safe if you use your ingenuity and common sense. Don't take chances with a bad dog. They really can do too much damage and it's not worth the risk of being casual with them or giving them another chance. But, in hindsight, every effort that I made to work with Ufo and bring progeny from him was wasted, judging by the offspring. He really was not suitable for breeding, in spite of his beauty, pedigree, titles, show wins and so forth. We do have a lot of nice dogs to select from in most cases, so why waste time with dogs with checkered and clouded history and backgrounds?

DDR-DSH, I was told that UFO had superb confirmation. Was that so? Thanks for all the invaluable information. You certainly know a great deal about the breed.

Yes i agree with DDR_DSH this Boban is basically what would be called a bloodline 13A dog. The DDR breeding gene pool today is primarily 13A or 13A combination so Boban offers no diversity to any breeding program. This male only proves Americans will buy and spend ridicules sums of money on import dogs. SDG

Yes i agree with DDR_DSH this Boban is basically what would be called a bloodline 13A dog. The DDR breeding gene pool today is primarily 13A or 13A combination so Boban offers no diversity to any breeding program. This male only proves Americans will buy and spend ridicules sums of money on import dogs. SDG