cattle prod - Page 4

The fact that people like haz and z try discredit others that would dare challenge or question them is because they are losing touch with societal norms so they lash out and try silence others by mocking them.

haz go eat a dick, oh how i would like to run yr dogs with mine and show you the myth you have been living.

The cattle prod, and the electrified sleeve (with the ground soaked in front of the helper in the blind) are chicken shit "helpers'" answer to training.

I'm trying to silence you?  You certaily talk enough crap, keep it up for all I care.  You talk about something like it is "normal" in a sport you have never spent even a single day doing.  I'm not trying to silence you, i'm trying to help.  Put your stick down and go train your dog.  It's obvious you need to get out more.  You seem to go around from board to board typing stupid stuff about dogs like you've ever experienced anything.

Unlike you, I have done something with dogs.  I've trained with a hell of a lot of people across all sorts of venues. I've certified real working, on the street police dogs.  I've titled my own, and others in Schutzhund.  I do decoy work for a lot of people ranging across all the bite sports and I can tell you I've seen a cattle prod used once time, by one person on their own dog and they never amounted to crap. I can't even count the number of people and dogs I've trained with over the years and continue to train with.  From the East coast to the West and most everything in between and I can tell you cattle prods certainly aren't anything more than an abberation in any venue and the overwhelming majority will never see one unless they go to a tractor supply store and see it hanging on the shelf.  They aren't commonly used, they aren't even used by a sizeable minority.  It isn't something most clubs have tucked away for those "special" dogs.  They simply don't have them, they don't use them.  I'm not defending anyone that uses one.  I have no use for one, not concerning dogs anyway :)

I wonder just how much your really do have your finger on theh pulse of "societal norms", considering you've never done any of this.  Anyway, I probably spent far too much time responding to a guy with a stick huddled over his pot again.  I guess they call it feeding the troll.  

Zdog, in all seriousness, because I have never seen one being used or heard of anyone using it in the last 3 decades, what, in your experience, would a cattle prod be used for in dog training?

I am not the squeemish type, I use an E collar daily and have even used the older Teletakts that are no longer offered, but, I cant see how one would use it to benefit a dog in training.

I don't think it should have a place.  The one and only time I've seen it used was by some guy trying to get more aggression from his dog in the blind.  I think it's a crap reason and would never condone or use it myself.  If you can't acheive the same without, you have the wrong dog or you're doing it all wrong to begin with so it's hardly fair to have to resort to that later.





 

 Zdog.

Thank you Zdog, I agree.

 Hired dog.

I've seen a cattle prod used legitimately: for trying to get some 400 lb. pigs on to the trailer to go to the slaughterhouse. I was helping with this, and had one of the pigs nearly take out my knee! You can get seriously hurt trying to herd livestock. Electric prods take some of the danger out of it for humans, without causing any bruises that would affect the animal's marketability.

I've also seen videos of them being used to make rodeo horses buck harder. (Some of you will remember those: they were posted by Steve Leigh.)  In my book, that's animal abuse. And so is using a cattle prod on a dog.

I've never felt the shock from a cattle prod, but have run into an electric fence now and then, and damn, that HURTS!  I imagine the shock from a prod would be similar.

Zdog.....I am new to IPO. I have been training off and on since October (weather related). I can tell you the truth- that I have seen it on two different training fields. The first time...it was near a blind. What I can gather is......forgive me if I say it wrong.... training people said the dog kept "being dirty in blind". So, the helper held it and if the dog tried to "get dirty" in the blind than he got zapped.  He did get zapped. It was not pretty. The second time was on another training field. It was the exercise where the dog is supposed to bark at helper but not touch him. The dog kept trying to touch his sleeve. So, helper (different one) zapped him with the cattle prod. I had to walk away. I have also seen dogs shocked with e-collars to the point of them screaming and even once a dog that was so scared after being shocked at such a high level that he did like a 1/4 of a track, literally, slinking on his belly the whole time- no lie (he was an IPO3/FH). I was not at backyard training groups either time. Both groups had National competitors, Regional winners, and both had at least one WUSV team member. These people are on the podium so they are not some unknown shmucks. I was so horrified. One group member told me that if I wanted to stay in IPO than I better "fu*king suck it up and grow a thick skin". So, maybe you are lucky to not have seen this stuff and I am just unlucky. I have only trained in one part of the country........

I think I am going to stop training IPO. It's just not fun anymore. But, the sad thing is that it could be fun for my dog and I if all this crap didn't exist. My dog and I both like the training but not the methods, culture, or attitudes. My dog is my pet who I do stuff with. These other dogs are kennel dogs and are tools. I wish there was a type of IPO where new people could go and have fun training and test their dog, like with AKC events, without the harsh methods or sailor talk on the field. I think more people would try IPO and actually stay if this stuff didn't exist. I wonder if that is why every IPO club near me is not accepting full members- to weed out the people that do not agree with their methods or culture. But, what I have found...is that IPO people in my area...seem to have the attitude..."well, if you don't like it than go screw". But, that is not a good way to keep a sport going.