Rules for collecting and shipping frozen/chilled semen from Germany to USA - Page 1

I've been looking at stud dogs in Germany for a future breeding but don't want to ship my female.

Does anyone know if Germany allows breeders to collect and ship semen to other countries?

Or do they still require live cover only?

Thanks,

Cheri

I do not believe they do.

Thanks Kim.

I asked a friend this evening and he said the same thing.

What a shame :(

Cheri,

Is there a certain male you were looking at in Germany? If not are there any males here in the USA that you would be interested in? That way you can go with your dog and also be able to meet the potential sire in person.

"Germany" does allow, but SV doesn´t because of 3 reasons

1. We have breeding rules - as soon as semen is shipped it might be used not according to the rules ( IPO titled, DNAed, breed surveyed dam ...)
2. This breed still is able to breed "naturally" - as soon as you allow the use of frozen semen this could change ( natural selection / health, drives )
3. As soon as regulations get changed, the 2. thought would be using semen of dead animals

Personally I´m glad it´s not allowed yet, not everything that´s possible should be done.
There are a lot of studs in the States out of almost all bloodlines. I´d always want to see the stud " in real ", a pedigree only is no dog.

you can check on the rsv2000 web site,if the dog is in rsv 2000 registered i think you can do it.

Sv is a little out dated, and the real reason is that sv get for every stud 50 euro for a stud letter (Deckbescheiningung), every month you have round 500 studs in sv that makes 25000 euro( 33800 $) a month. if they would allow frozen they would loose to much money because they can not proof anymore when,who and where it have go.

"Real reason" ??? Are you kidding?

As soon as stud dog owners don´t need to fill out the "Deckbescheinigung" any more, and frozen/chilled semen is allowed, the "flavor of the day" dogs will be bred no longer 90 times/year, but 200, 300 or more... and at least I would ask for a DNA test of every litter... for me the worst case ever able to happen.
We didn´t start using breed books, DNA and proof for everything, only to give it up for nothing.

RSV 2000 - even by using semen the dogs HAVE TO FULLFILL the breeding rules of RSV 2000, or do you really believe Raiser is going to allow this?????
Ridiculous in itself

Forgot to mention, your own words: "...because they can not proof anymore when,who and where it have go."

That´s the reason, added that some males would breed around 90 % of the females - good bye variety of genes...

I like the use of frozen semen from dead dogs. It gives breeders the opportunity to breed back into lines that have been lost.  This should be a major concern to GSD breeders given the unreasonable fear of linebreeding - IMO. Outcrossing generation after generation doesn't do anything to preserve specific bloodlines; I hope breeders in the US are having their good dogs collected while young and viable and frozen.The cost of using frozen semen is probably not much less that shipping a bitch to Germany to be bred; it might be more in some cases.. 

There's the price of the semen, the shipping fees (not cheap by any means), the progesterone tests to determine the correct time to inseminate. Most repro vets implant surgically, that requires anesthesia - more money-  and most verify the pregnancy using an ultrasound - optional, more money. The majority of frozen semen litters are smaller than litters conceived naturally, not always. If the bitch is a late breeder, the extra costs of the progesterone tests add to the total cost. A friend recently used 14 year old semen from a dog whose bloodlines were not preserved. There are no related dogs alive in 4 generations. She used a maiden bitch, not a really great idea, and she wasn't ready to breed until day 23 meaning there were 6 progesterone tests done. There's a big payoff, 8 to 10 puppies on the ultrasound.

IMO Germany is making a big mistake by not allowing the use of frozen semen. I understand why they don't want it shipped out of Germany, but there are ways to control who gets the semen and on which bitch it is used...DNA specifically.

Given there are so many great dogs in the US, I'm not sure why a breeder has to use a dog in Germany anyway. If one hasn't seen the dog or it's progeny, why do that?.

" It gives breeders the opportunity to breed back into lines that have been lost. "

Lines are lost because of a reason, otherwise they weren´t "lost".

I see hugh advantages of breeding back to lines that have been lost or too far dilluted, the problem is the cost for storing for many years and years and the short shelf life of sperm once they are taken out of the deep freeze..