When did either starving, beating or choking... - Page 11

Hopeless guy, as usual you jump with nonsense. You could care less about anyone else's opinions, evidenced by such statements as: ""See my point or distort it to make yours!!!!!"" I don't think that responding to your nonsense would be worth my time since nothing is going to convince you of the validity of any other point of view but your own. AND the reason I'm answering you personally is because it was my quote you used in your post, not olskoolgsds.

Why not breed for the right temperament, a dog that does need extreme corrections?

I meant a dog that does NOT need extreme corrections. Sorry.

That's my point Blitzen.. Softer and softer until they have no more true grit... Then we have a bunch of soft dogs that can't handle a little pressure or a stick hit!! I love a dog that takes a correction and gets tighter and faster. To me that's a correct respons, not a dog the fights it to the death. So how do we get dogs like that??? By breeding lesser dogs and expecting them to get better... Sorry you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit!!! I can see through you oldguy, poser!!! Best Regards, Dennis Johnson www.johnsonhaus.com

There has been a discussion in the U.S. for many years, about "what is pornography". The conclusion reached by many judges is "I can't described it, but I know it when I see it". Well, same thing applies to this situation. As referenced by SouthernBelle above. Yes, what may be considered abuse by a showline trainer, may be "what is needed by a working line trainer". Having said that. I have a question to all of you working line guys and gals out there. What would be the "turning point" in your mind, as to when the hardness of a GSD has gone too far, or to put it another way, what would be the epitomy or ultimate "hardness" of a GSD? Fighting to his death against three men? Fighting until he is severly wounded by one man with a knife? Attacking an army platoon of the enemy? What yould your ultimate goal be, in the area of hardness, nerve, courage, etc? Would retreating from an attack be okay if he is shot twice, or if he gets two broken legs in the battle? Or should he (if he is a REAL DOG) always fight to his death to protect his self and/or his "master". And how many of the "masters" out there would fight to the bitter end for their GSD, against, lets say, a pack of Pittbulls? Just curious :)

Dennis I was thinking more along the lines of only breeding dogs with correct temperaments to other dogs with correct temperaments.

Who is to say what correct is? What may be right for me is not for you.

What did the Captain say about the correct GSD temperament?

Well the Capt isn't here handling "my" dogs. You cannot guarentee a dogs temperament with breeding or predict it at 8 weeks. Some dogs grow bolder with time, testosterone, age and experiences. Should we throw these dogs to the side and put them down or continue with their training in a manner that keeps their attention? People seem to forget the GSD is a working dog, bred for that purpose. If you cannot handle that, get a lap dog.

"The dog can tell from the glance of the trainer the state of the trainer's soul".