Dog Training - Crowd Control - Page 4

LOL the only thing you can always get two trainers to agree about is that the third one is doing it wrong

"Making it about the man isn't difficult, even when you use a tug."

This is a contradiction.

If you can't see that then there's nothing to talk about.

Sure thing.  Because people don't use tugs on the field with helpers all the time LOL and good trainers have dogs that are very clear on what's expected of them.  


 

Yes, and that sable in the video isn't backing up behind his handler. 

no Z I dont teach the out with a tug reward, I teach them the COMMAND out in low drive in obediece, that make quite a difference, and secondly if the dog doesnot have the civil you can train him for 100 years but he willnever be a street dog  , butcan be a nice sportdog and even can win the worldchampionships

I can feel the testosterone leaching from my computer screen.

not another sport and street dog debate.  I've put dogs in both.  Duke, you have a nice dog and nice training.  You taught a "command" and somehow got the dog to let go and the helper still grabs the check leash on the prong for your out.  you'll have a tough time convincing me you taught it with no pressure :)  anyway.

The video that started this isn't how I would train it, but it's no different than all the handlers that walk up and choke their dogs off bites.  If you think a dog is any more likely to go after something thrown than it is to wig out on it's handler walking up behind them after being choked off 100 times you're nuts.  I know training thru the tug issues would be a lot easier to work thru.  I'd say neither has taught an out, but rather just give an alternative for letting go.  That's a lot of police for you.

Lasies and gents, this is supposed to be about street dogs, working police dogs, not sport dogs, first, second, this fantasy that you have some type of control over what drive your dog will be in when working the street is just that, a fantasy. That may very well work in some green open field where the dog has been exposed to the same routine for a year, over and over and over, however, it takes on a whole new meaning when its 2:30AM and you are going after someone in some wooded area or a large dark building whom you know very little about.

When you sent that dog after him, if you do, and that person get bitten and falls down screaming, your dog's prey drive will "explode", but, if said idiot starts punching and kicking your dog when it apprehends him, your dog's defense comes into play. Its not easy to call a dog off in defense or prey, but, I will tell you that its infinately easier to do it when your dog is in "fight drive", whatever that means to each of you, IF your relationship is sound. You are not threatening a dog to take its prey away, and believe me, I have seen MANY handlers get eaten when they attempted to even touch the suspect while the dog was on him and you are not trying to pull your dog away from a guy whom your dog thinks will kill him if he stops biting him. The dog working in fight drive is confident and again, if your relationship is sound, understands that releasing the bite is for the good of the team and no harm will come to him when he does.

Z, I am for 100% control and no mistakes, allowing a dog one mistake sets your trainig back 2 weeks

my point is that you need a street dog for streetwork and not a sportdog trained to behave like one

and if dogs are balanced you dont need choking of and E collars

just mypoint of view

Z here is a 6 month old from me, what I call well balanced dog, will need NO pressure to out and will need NO training for crowd control