Dog Training - Crowd Control - Page 8

duke- I have no doubt your dog would have gone after any one of the "hooligans" in the video or a real group of actual hooligans, my point was your video was a poor example to compare to the first video.

Where did I come up with excuses for the dogs? I merely suggested that there is not enough information to make a qualified response. Yes...going by what is seen in the video alone, those dogs would not bite a steak, and I could be wrong. I did suggest that in my first post.

 They might be very nice dogs that need a different trainer.

The dogs appear to be young, would you yourself use an inexperienced decoy on a young/green dog? I wouldn't, others would and that is their prerogative.

Maybe it's a handler issue, I don't know. My overall belief is that dogs are all individuals, you cannot apply one method of training to all of them as some people do.

If we can agree that a tug or a Kong or a plastic water bottle are all the same for prey items, this video would have been a better example. I apologize for the poor quality of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=XcqJ2LRNpm8

 

 

Kim

Ps- Hans- unlike you apparently......I myself have not read any of Shakespeare's work since high school in 1976.

Duke,

I think that you are a bit confused with what Kim is saying. What, I believe, he meant is that he uses the tug, or a ball, or any object being thrown as a part of his training for engaging the bad guy and the out, as well as many other things so that the dog has already worked through as many scenarios in training so that they are not an issue when on the street. Hence his comment, "you just never know." Conversely, if your dog has never seen a tug thrown in this scenario, how do you know how it will respond in a real life situation? Much of this gets back to what Zdog was saying. Present things to the dog and work through them in training.

Hired Dog,

Great to see you posting on training! You have a lot to offer in this regard and it is appreciated! Your scenario concerning police dogs happens way too often in sport dog training with the out, as well. Some trainers put so much crap on their dog in training to get it to out and create so much conflict that the only place the dog feels safe is staying on the sleeve. It really isn't difficult to see how the dog thinks here. It's always been highly praised for biting and then the shit hits the fan when outing. Off the person goes to trial their dog and with none of the "extras" to get the dog to out it says, FU, I'm not letting go!

KIM your link doesnot open for me,

for me streetwork and personal protection is about the intention of the dog for me, cant train just any dog to do it, a good dog for street/PP you basicly only need to train obedience

many vendors select dogs they buy on full calm grips, where in fact this is only prey, says nothing about the courage, hardness and defence/civil of the dogs, the best civil dogs I know dont have full calm grips

 

 

ogbs, im not confused by what he is saying at all , just a friendly way of sayng I disagree

You guys realise the clip is a PR video to recruit people into the police force not a training video for trainers right?

hell for crowd control the last thing you want is a gripping dog. the sharp fear biter with good environmentals is the right dog.

OGBS- Thanks

Duke- agreeing to disagree is okay, no worries

Lets try this link, sorry but You tube is changing to fast for my computer skills

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcqJ2LRNpm8

 

 

Kim

now it opened, with all respect Kim,  this is what I see,  a bunch of people with naked upperbodies etc. and you see the dogs INTENTION change the moment a guy in bitesuit pops up between those people, the INTENTION should be there whithout the presence of biting equipment,

What you see is what you see Duke,

I disagree with your appraisal of the video , but I respect your opinion. Had you had the oppourtunity to meet and work these 2 dogs in person you may or may not have a different view. And I'm very confident that if you ever have the oppourtunity to work any of our dogs you will have a different view, but I could be wrong.

As I have said many times.....I myself am not a Trainer, I'm still working on being a good handler.

 

Kim

I think it would be very good to have a trainingweekend with some respectful people and their dogs all together, might change opinions indeed

I ask again a simple question.  When is it is ever  a good idea to train a dog - CIVIL dog -  to out and automatically return to the handler with the purpose in his ( dogs's) head to bite the toy. As we have seen on the OP video. 

This is not just a challenge but also I would like to learn something new. This is used exceedingly often and i guess there  could be a reason I am missing and I would like to know. what that reason is. 

Prager Hans