royalties for titles - Page 4

Bob,
I've been a helper far too long to think that a drive doesn't stress a dog.

Tell you what, I'll stick you like I do a dog, and we'll see you react after the 100th hit.  By the time these dogs have made it to a IPO 3, they have easily been hit 100 times.  Take your licking and tell me you're not stressed when I hit you with that. 

There are times where I've worked big trials and my leg has come out black and blue from the stick hit on the leg we used to do.  You can be damn sure I was getting a little hesitant to hit myself in the same spot at the end of the trial. 

Everyone talks talks talks it doesn't stress the dog.  BS it doesn't. I've seen and done it where the stick hit sounds like a gunshot and the dog will actually grunt from the force of the stick hit.   and the rules that they can't react stress them even more.

What is your panacea to solve this issue?

IPO is sport. War is war. If you learn to fight during a war you also better learn to duck and run. The best way to teach warriors is sport or play war. Do it enough times and you will know who will take a bloody nose to get a chance to break the other guys ribs. The best breeders do not breed by the last preformance of the specimen, they are involved deeper than that. But if you beleive they do not test, both standardized and ''street'' you are crazy. The standardized test is a beginning. If you shoot down the ''test'' what is your next move? duck and run? 

Gsd:

            I had my own dojo for many years and you can throw a punch or a kick at a target pad or wall and feel confident in your abilities but the first time you have to defend your self make contact and disable an opponent all the "sport" in the world goes right out the window. 

bzcz:

              You can hit me across the shoulders all you like but 1 dog isn,t getting hit hundreds of times consistently. How many stick hits in a 3 ? with a padded stick. Yes a good stick hit should be heard clear across the field. Try that with a reed stick and see what dogs stay on the sleeve.  Reattack and drive as long as your dog can go for the ride it will pass. I,m not blaming the helpers I,m blaming the "sport" I still title my dogs and will be titleing 2 more here shortly in IPO and AWD titles but if you brought me a dog and said Bob Buy this dog it,s great and will be a benefit to your breeding the last thing I,m going to do is swoon over the titles in the pedigree. 

Bob,

Of course your not going to swoon over the titles.  Neither am I.

But they do tell me that the dog is worth taking a look at and see what he brings to the table.

A dog without titles isn't even worth looking at.

ANd you miss the point of the stick hits. You look at 4.  The dog knows he's been hit before and he's going to be hit again.  That's the test.  If I told you I was going to hit you 4 times and never again, almost anyone could take that.  If I tell you, every day you come out, I'm hitting you, one of these days, you're probably not going to come out.  THAT's the test.

You're so  wrapped up in the sport trial day, that you miss the tests that the dog passed to get there.

 

 

Well i,m sorry but with todays everyone wins attitudes I just can,t put my trust in the system . The bar has been lowered so many times for weaker dogs to get titles i see more dogs with good genetics untitled then I see in titled dogs.

 

I know breeders who rebate X number of dollars for performance titles that are applicable to that breed.

Oh BULL.  People say that all the time with nothing to point to to prove it.  It's just a popular grey area to whine about.

When the rules were changed, the IPO 1 became much more difficult to pass.

That's just fact.  Buy you whine it's so easy.  What specifically is so easy.  Enough whining, get specific.  Give constructive criticism.  Get off the balcony heckling and get on the floor and start speaking specifics.  Explain how a guy yelling and swinging a stick at a dog is prey.  Tell us how to make it more real. 

If royalties were involved there would be more incentive for people to title clubs would grow stronger standards would improve breed gets stronger and improves.

If there is a link between titles in a ped and breedability and marketability then somebodies are receiving financial gain from somebody else's free labour and services. that ain't right.

Harder to pass???  Padded sticks instead of reed sticks, They took the only thing away that had any chance of the dog showing any pressure, the attack on the handler and now it,s done as a run away in the breed survey! No more minimum  80 points  in protection to advance. Helpers coming to a complete stop and some even backing up on long bites. It was called a Breed Worthiness test now it,s called a sport. And if you think we have heard the last thing on the exclusion on stick hits I,ll buy you a case of your favorite beer and hand feed you peeled grapes and keep you cool with a palm leaf.

Yep, Harder to pass.  Long bite running at the dog, No more leash on at all.  You used to be able to heel onto the protection field and set up on leash.  Gone.

IPO1 has to call out or heel out, no more walking in and grabbing your dog by the collar.   Gone.

IPO 1 Side transport now done off leash.   Leash is GONE from IPO 1 protection. 

All IPO 1 obedience is done off leash now.  all on leash exercises GONE.

Have to report in and out off leash. 

IPO1 now has to do the scaling wall, didn't have to before.

Helpers stopping or backing up is faulty helperwork and not all of us do it.  Certainly not the standard.  You want to bitch about that, complain to the Helper Committee,  It's not a fault of the rules. 

It has always been a breed worthiness title and still is.  You just want to complain how the "good old days are gone" and ignore the reality of what happens.