royalties for titles - Page 5

" When the rules were changed, the IPO 1 became much more difficult to pass."
Most of the people won´t know, because they don´t know about the routine ...

I do understand Bob´s point, a title is a one day happening, in case we have enough time, we have a very good helper, and we are a good handler, even a mediocre dog is able to survive a club trial ( thanks to the judges, who want to be best buddies ).
The techniques of training became much more effective, let´s face reality - but the reason of training and titling is evaluation - a title does show me that this dog t least is able to withstand some pressure, the rest I want to see by myself.

Regionally, nationally, internationally things change a lot. A dog that went trough several trials, on strange fileds, with strange helpers, judged with two open eyes is a good dog. If it´s my kind of dog, maybe yes, maybe no, but it´s a good dog.

Several years a go, 1000, yes, that is ONE THOUSAND Malinois started training for the hardest dog sport, the NVBK. 4 years later, only FOUR of those dogs were competing...no, not all of them flunked, some were injured, a few were pulled, maybe a few more were sold for good money, but, if you want to talk about a breed worthiness test, try it out sometime, especially those who live in Europe and near Belgium. 

4 out of a 1000 is a high failure rate.  Maybe the malinois breeding program isn't so good either.  If it's a breed worthiness test more than .04% should pass or the breeding program is out of whack

" , maybe a few more were sold for good money,..."   - That was a good one   I didn´t care for a lot of years, but there was a time when almost 80% of the KNPV Malinois were sold immediately after the trial, the rest sold during training.

It´s an interesting test, in big parts it´s a good test, some of it would fit into "our" test, but KNPV is a test made for police, not for breed worthiness.
Given that the German Shepherd dog is no "police dog" only, but an allrounder, this is not the correct goal, and like in "our" sport even in KNPV training techniques and temperament changed  ...

bzcz, the program is extremely tough, not a lot of dogs make it and it was created like this on purpose. The Malinois is the only breed participating even though the program is open to all breeds. I can tell you that the ones who make it and title are some of the best Malinois in the world, if you are interested in that type of dogs.

Belgian Ring Suzie, not KNPV and those KNPV dogs are still being sold right after the certification trial, but, that is the purpose of that program. It was created, just all these other dog trials, as a police dog training program/breed suitability test.

bczc:

 

                  You say scaling wall I say vertical wall. You say off leash I don,t know what to say because i never saw that as a stressor. You say faulty helper work call the helper committee I say show me any breed survey,sieger show that all our national elected members attend and watch the sham attack on the handler and courage test. These are part of the actual Breed Worthiness Test. The reality of what is happening is that the standrad has been lowered. The sport has more to do with the handlers abality to manipulate the dog into more correct position and obedience while lowering the tthings that show a dogs spirit and physical abality and heart.

 

 

 

Woods wisdom states;


every dam litter has to be tested


you can't claim a single thing about the health and working ability of your line without father daughter matings.


not sure why people are so negative about titles, anyone actually suggest a better yard stick across a while population .

NVBK, KNPV, I´ll never get it - I´m too much of a German, forgive me.
That said there are a lot of interesting tests to "proof" working ability, the IPO for sure isn´t the one and only, maybe not even good enough, but you need to differ between a test for police work and a test for working ability as a whole.

vk:

 

          I,m not negative I just ask for a better breed test. I train with people who compete national and internationally I see the hard work they put into the dog and i,m not discounting that. If you want to clear a jungle you use a thick strong machete, if you do fine brain surgery you use a small scalpel. You can make a machete into a scalpel with enough work but try clearing a jungle with a scalpel